South Jordan UCAN submission

[theaton]

The following anonymous submission was recieved with TGs for South Jordan from a local member. Three of these TGs duplicate the three existing South Jordan listings in the DB with a different description in one case ("admin 2" vs. "Event Coordination"). Does anyone have any comments before I add these?

tg is in Hex
662 South Jordan/Draper PD Ch 1
5B0 South Jordan Service
54E SJ TAC C2C
580 SJ Events
6EA SJ Facility
6ec SJ Water
6ee sj parks
6f0 sj streets
6f2 sj operations
6f4 sj pw tac1
6f6 sj pw tac2
6f8 sj pw tac3
6fa sj admin 1
6fc sj admin 2

[gldavis]

I show no Trunker hits on the Ops,TAC, or Admin channels. Other than that, I don't have anything.

[qlajlu]

Originally Posted by theaton

The following anonymous submission was received...

I don't think you should accept anonymous submissions!

[theaton]

Originally Posted by qlajlu

I don't think you should accept anonymous submissions!

I should have expected that from you, quajly. You always want to know who you're dealing with. I should have been more clear, though. The submitter checked the anonymous box on the submission but did include an ID. This doesn't normally make any difference because submitters aren't normally acknowledged by the DB. The submitter is a local person, but not someone I'm familiar with.

Submissions have the usual supply/demand problems. In a remote area where nothing is known, any submission is welcome. In a metrapolitan area where many people have an interest, some submissions from outside the circle of active networkers are seen as a source of irritation. Since we have a policy of discussing UCAN submissions I wanted to see if others could confirm or deny the validity of the data before adding it. It sounds like it's probably accurate.

BTW I added site 39 (Cal Mtn, Box Elder County) at the request of gadgetmikey, who has also mentioned it on the forum.

-Tim

[qlajlu]

Originally Posted by theaton

I should have expected that from you,...

Yep, I have determined that my lot in life is to be a thorn in theaton's side.

Actually, theaton, maybe you could help me. I attempted to convert those Hex TGs to Dec TGs and got all screwed up. Hex is NOT a favorite mathematical base for me. I attempted to use the scientific side of the Microsoft Calculator included in Microsoft's OS, but it didn't do a good job of making the conversions for me. For example, Hex TG 662 converted to Dec TG 1634 when the actual TG is 26144 which actually converts to a Hex of 6620. What am I doing wrong?

[gldavis]

Try this web site:
http://www.parkenet.com/apl/HexDecConverter.html

[theaton]

Originally Posted by qlajlu

Actually, theaton, maybe you could help me. I attempted to convert those Hex TGs to Dec TGs and got all screwed up. Hex is NOT a favorite mathematical base for me. I attempted to use the scientific side of the Microsoft Calculator included in Microsoft's OS, but it didn't do a good job of making the conversions for me. For example, Hex TG 662 converted to Dec TG 1634 when the actual TG is 26144 which actually converts to a Hex of 6620. What am I doing wrong?

Quajlu, I went ahead and added the South Jordan TGs, and I solved your question in the process (I think). On the DB you only see three Hex digits, but in the editor there's a "0" added to the end of each one (4 digits). The submitted TGs matched the existing ones with the "0" added, so I added it to the others and they look reasonably consecutive. So try adding the "0" on your calculator and see if they match.

I'll be in SLC for a couple weeks at Christmas. Maybe we can get together and thorn each other a little!

-Tim

[qlajlu]

Thank you both, gldavis and theaton. I love it when friends help friends.

Originally Posted by theaton

I'll be in SLC for a couple weeks at Christmas. Maybe we can get together and thorn each other a little!

Let us know when you are here and maybe, just maybe, we can set up a meet like we had when audiodave1 visited this last spring. He is the one that jump-started this group. It would be fun to meet you.

[bneilson]

I can confirm the following:
662 South Jordan/Draper PD Ch 1
54E SJ TAC C2C(This is known as CH3)

6fc sj admin 2(This is probably the real name, I added it earlier as Event Coordination as that is what it was being used for)

I would say that until some of us can confirm them, we list the others with a '?' after the name.

[qlajlu]

Originally Posted by theaton

...I added site 39 (Cal Mtn, Box Elder County) at the request of gadgetmikey, who has also mentioned it on the forum.

theaton, how does some of the technical information make it into the Db? For instance, most of the UCAN sites have a map of the where the transmitter is, but there are some that are not available. Who submits that information? Who/how are the map links generated?

The reason I ask is that Cal Mtn was just added and there is a map available of its location, yet Ford Ridge (Site 038), down in enosjones' country does not have a map available nor does it show what the FCC License Number is and it has been in the Db longer.

Just curious.

[theaton]

Originally Posted by qlajlu

theaton, how does some of the technical information make it into the Db? For instance, most of the UCAN sites have a map of the where the transmitter is, but there are some that are not available. Who submits that information? Who/how are the map links generated?

The reason I ask is that Cal Mtn was just added and there is a map available of its location, yet Ford Ridge (Site 038), down in enosjones' country does not have a map available nor does it show what the FCC License Number is and it has been in the Db longer.

Hi qlajlu,
The map feature is automatically linked to the License, just like on the conventional frequencies. If you click the license it tries to look it up, and if it finds it a map it generated. There's no magic on my part other than entering a valid license. Gadgetmikey gave me the Cal Mtn frequencies, and I did a search on them to find the license. I realize some of the UCAN sites have no license listed. Once I did a search for a couple of the missing ones and didn't find anything. I haven't done a thorough search for all the missing ones, but that's a good idea. Some may have appeared by now. The FCC database doesn't always jive with reality.

-Tim

[enosjones]

WQHJ317 is Ford's for 866.3875 info is also found at http://home.att.net/~ilgrant/fcc/081807wi.htm and
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsS...licKey=2895779

UTAH COMMUNICATIONS AGENCY NETWORK
5360 SOUTH RIDGE VILLAGE DRIVE
SALT LAKE CITY UT 84118-4100

Callsign: WQHJ317
Radio Service: YF-TRUNK PUBLIC SAFETY/SPEC EMERG NAT PL

PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATIONS

Action: ISSUED


Area of Operation
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1 FIXED 394522.9N 1105926.6W HELPER CARBON UT
2 MOBILE COUNTIES OF: CARBON, EMERY, GRAND, SANPETE, AND UTAH WITHIN THE STATE OF UTAH

Pwr ERP # of # of (A)nalog
Ref Class Freq Out Out Units Pagers (D)igital
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1 FB2 866.38750 100 065 1 0 AD
2 MO 821.38750 035 075 15000 0 AD





But like i've said before fcc grants or update don't seem to coincide with the actual active frequencies and it only shows the one frequency not the others. Cuz it wasn't listed before until recently, but its been active for a year or 2. =Might see if you can link it i've pulled a fcc license id donno if its the new frequency for the rebanding for Ford or what, its *WQGR274*. Donno if its accurate or what it covers 856.4625-859.4625.

[theaton]

Originally Posted by enosjones

WQHJ317 is Ford's for 866.3875 info is also found at http://home.att.net/~ilgrant/fcc/081807wi.htm and
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsS...licKey=2895779

Thanks Enos. I added the license to the DB. Even if it only represents one frequency, it's nice that it shows the location. Thanks for looking it up. -Tim

[LGLHOOK]

Originally Posted by qlajlu

I don't think you should accept anonymous submissions!

I have to disagree with you qlajlu for one reason, say the "annoymous" party works for the city of South Jordan and the reason they are "annoymous" is that if the higher powers found out who this particular person was, it would cost them their job.

Just a thought.

[qlajlu]

Originally Posted by LGLHOOK

I have to disagree with you qlajlu for one reason, say the "annoymous" party works for the city of South Jordan and the reason they are "annoymous" is that if the higher powers found out who this particular person was, it would cost them their job.

Yes, I can see your point and I can agree to that. I was simply voicing an opinion while thinking of the integrity of the Db. Since we didn't know who made the submissions how do we know they are accurate? As it turns out I apparently voiced an unpopular opinion, but that is okay. No harm, no foul.

[LGLHOOK]

I agree with you about the integrity of the Db, but that is alot of specific info about one agency to just "turn our heads". I could see it if it was a bunch of speratic info all over the place. Your opinion is not unpopular I see the point to both sides.

[bneilson]

Hey theaton, did they say anything about how they came to this information. Like they work for the city or anything?

My guess is that this is the case. The list has "known accurate" information so the rest are probably just holes we have not filled in yet.

I still like the idea of putting a '?' in the name until it is "known accurate". Even better would be to out the '?' first. This way you will always see it. If it is the last character it might be truncated....

[bneilson]

So the following have been fairly active today:

28352 6ec South Jordan Water
28384 6ee South Jordan Parks
28416 6f0 South Jordan Streets

The addresses being given are in South Jordan. I have been unable to confirm "water", "Parks", and "Streets" as the users. On the parks TG they were talking about being in the intersection and closing lanes of traffic.

I wonder if these have been recently assigned in the system as I have not copied this traffic or TG's before...

I will continue to monitor...

[kd7rto]

They must have gotten rid of their 2 channel LTR system on 867.8 and 868.5.