460.025 in Vermont - ??????

zerg901 · #1 (**permalink**) 03-08-2013, 1:21 PM

Is 460.025 a statewide police mutual aid channel or not? The FCC ULS shows approx 15 mountain top repeaters on 460.025 across Vermont. 465.025 shows as a FX1 at nearly every police station. But the Radio Reference database shows 460.025R as a State Police District channel in the midstate area. Anyone know how the channel is used? Does each repeater have a different input PL? Are the repeaters linked?

Are 460.275 and 460.50 also statewide police mutual aid channels?

LathamScan · #2 (**permalink**) 03-09-2013, 3:04 AM

I have been told, back in the good ol' days, that 460.025R was F-3 on the old State Police channel setup. As it was explained to me, all of the troop channels used to be simplex base-mobile. These repeaters were available to all law enforcement to extend communications if they were out of range of their troop channel or local channel. Each repeater used to use 118.8 so the user would have to dial a DTMF code to access the appropriate repeater, then when they were done would have to dial it off. A lot of Sheriff's Departments use to use it, especially if they either didn't have their own channel or were doing a long distance prisoner transport. But, after the VSP started going to specific frequencies for each station (instead of troop) 460.025 was re-assigned for station assignment. St. Albans and one other use 460.025 MHz. for their day-to-day operations.

Also, along those lines, 460.150 - as it was explained to me - was F-5 Town to Town Net, for local town police to inter-agency with each other. I didn't ever hear any activity on that channel except for St. Albans City PD using it as 'RED-5' which was a private channel for use using an analog scrambler. Again, after radio system changes, 460.150 is now used by Derby and Rutland for day-to-day operations.

460.275 was F-4, for State Police units to contact Headquarters statewide or for troopers who were out of troop to be able to reach the troop they were currently located in. Middlebury now uses 460.275 for day-to-day operations.

460.500 is F-2, car to car statewide for all law enforcement in the state. Simplex. Has been, and probably will always be. The 'original' Vermont law enforcement inter-op.

jimlawrence · #3 (**permalink**) 03-09-2013, 9:08 PM

Kevin's nailed it.

Regarding 460.500, Peter, you'll find it's used primarily these days as an inter-op frequency; local-to-local and local-to-state. Last I knew, VSP has migrated to 168.350 and 163.100 as their car-to-cars. But it's been six months since I've had a chance to tune in up there and things may have changed.

Hope that helps.

zerg901 · #4 (**permalink**) 03-10-2013, 3:49 PM

Thanks for the replys. I recently went thru the FCC ULS looking at the 460.025 licenses in Vermont. I found approx 15 mtn top repeater sites. Then I found that 465.025 had a FX1 control station at nearly every police station. This looked like a fine statewide system to me. Then I noticed that 460.025 was listed in the RR DB as a Troop channel. Which made me wonder about the need for a statewide channel, and how it would be set up (with Pls and links and all).

Lesson learned - just because it is fully licensed by the FCC, that doesnt mean that it is actually used.

Next question - How does Vermont send out statewide BOLOs? I suppose they could send a Email to all of the County Sheriffs dispatchers, and all of the VSP troop dispatchers - and have them all read it over the air. (Or do most of the police cars in Vermont have onboard computers now?)

Chauffeur6 · #5 (**permalink**) 03-10-2013, 3:54 PM

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Originally Posted by zerg901

Lesson learned - just because it is fully licensed by the FCC, that doesnt mean that it is actually used.

It took you this many years to figure that out? Really, Peter?

KB1VLA · #6 (**permalink**) 03-10-2013, 9:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jimlawrence

Kevin's nailed it.

Regarding 460.500, Peter, you'll find it's used primarily these days as an inter-op frequency; local-to-local and local-to-state. Last I knew, VSP has migrated to 168.350 and 163.100 as their car-to-cars. But it's been six months since I've had a chance to tune in up there and things may have changed.

Hope that helps.

Where did those Fed freqs come from?

ecps92 · #7 (**permalink**) 03-11-2013, 6:44 AM

Those have been monitored for a few years now.

Original reports can on the Vermont yahoogroup

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Originally Posted by KB1VLA

Where did those Fed freqs come from?

KB1VLA · #8 (**permalink**) 03-11-2013, 8:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ecps92

Those have been monitored for a few years now.

Original reports can on the Vermont yahoogroup

Tones?
Strange there is no reference to them here or at SNE.

ecps92 · #9 (**permalink**) 03-12-2013, 5:49 AM

100.0

Not many folks spend time searching outside the normal bands
Reports date back to 2006-2007

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Originally Posted by KB1VLA

Tones?
Strange there is no reference to them here or at SNE.

amcare38 · #10 (**permalink**) 03-12-2013, 9:39 AM

Most BOL's are issued via statewide commuter, then read over the air by dispatchers.

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Originally Posted by zerg901

Thanks for the replys. I recently went thru the FCC ULS looking at the 460.025 licenses in Vermont. I found approx 15 mtn top repeater sites. Then I found that 465.025 had a FX1 control station at nearly every police station. This looked like a fine statewide system to me. Then I noticed that 460.025 was listed in the RR DB as a Troop channel. Which made me wonder about the need for a statewide channel, and how it would be set up (with Pls and links and all).

Lesson learned - just because it is fully licensed by the FCC, that doesnt mean that it is actually used.

Next question - How does Vermont send out statewide BOLOs? I suppose they could send a Email to all of the County Sheriffs dispatchers, and all of the VSP troop dispatchers - and have them all read it over the air. (Or do most of the police cars in Vermont have onboard computers now?)

ecps92 · #11 (**permalink**) 03-12-2013, 11:44 AM

Vermont Dept of Public Safety
About VCIC | Vermont Criminal Information Center

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Originally Posted by zerg901

Next question - How does Vermont send out statewide BOLOs? I suppose they could send a Email to all of the County Sheriffs dispatchers, and all of the VSP troop dispatchers - and have them all read it over the air. (Or do most of the police cars in Vermont have onboard computers now?)

MB · #12 (**permalink**) 03-14-2013, 9:09 PM

Does VSP ever use their tactical or detective frequencies?

460.625
465.625
458.950

LathamScan · #13 (**permalink**) 03-16-2013, 2:57 AM

The only activity I ever logged on 460.625 when I lived in Alburgh was Burlington Fire. I was never able to hear any VSP traffic on 460.625 or 465.625. Unsure now about 458.950, too.