Can the vx-4600 450-520 split be programmed for the 440 ham band?

[rapidcharger]

Can the vx-4600 450-520 split be programmed for the 440 ham band without any trouble?

[rapidcharger]

The answer is no.
The vx-4600 450-520 split will not do the ham band.

[cabletech]

Any radio, does not matter the make, that is banded 450-up, will not go into the ham band.

There are radios that are banded 440-470 can with some careful tuning, you can get into the UPPER part of the ham band.

What you really need is a radio that is banded 430 to 450/470.

[W2NJS]

I owned a pair of VX-900s several years and the UHF unit would definitely do the ham band with no problems at all, even down to 440.500 tx and rx.

Motrola 1225 mobiles of the 450 and up type will do 440 with no problems via the shift key trick. Others will do it as well. Later, like the past five years or so, radios often will NOT allow you to go below 450.

In other words, it depends on the radio, and to make a blanket statement that it's not possible is not true.

[kayn1n32008]

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Originally Posted by cabletech

Any radio, does not matter the make, that is banded 450-up, will not go into the ham band...

Utterly false information. Some radios will go along ways out of rated band split. Why would you make a blanket statement like that Cabletech?

My TK-380 (450-490MHz) does JUST fine in the ham band, no retuning, all I did was program it, even transmit and receive down to 440MHz with Zero problems, even in temperature extremes.

My TK-280 (146-174MHz)goes to 144MHz with out retuning as does my TK-760g (146-174MHz).

Now on the other hand, the 146-174MHz 25w Motorola M120 did not like going to 144.3900MHz, it lost 10w. At 146.0000Mhz it was putting out 25w. Some radios WILL go out of band some do not like to.

To the OP: I do not have knowledge about Vertex stuff as I only use a work provided portable on Vhf, that is a full Vhf band split.

I will say that if it does not work out for you look at the TK-860g. If the 450-490ishMHz split is like their Vhf brother it *should* go down to 440Mhz with no problems.

The TK-7/860g series is plentiful on ebay for reasonable prices, ebay cables work fine and the software is easy to obtain.

[RodStrong]

"Any radio, does not matter the make, that is banded 450-up, will not go into the ham band."



Way wrong Cabletech.

[kayn1n32008]

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Originally Posted by RodStrong

"Any radio, does not matter the make, that is banded 450-up, will not go into the ham band."



Way wrong Cabletech.

Rod, you could probably add 2 or 3 more "way"s to that and still not describe how wrong he is!

[kayn1n32008]

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[W8RMH]

Git-er-done

[rapidcharger]

The post is about the vertex vx-4600.

Lets stay on topic. Thanks.

[maxkelley]

I am pleased to announce that I have discovered the hack to get into manufacturer mode for the CE115 programming software, that allows changing of band limits and lots of other parameters.

Cross-posted from my notes pages…

Vertex CE115 Hack Notes

CE115.exe is located in C:\Vertex Standard\CE115\ and is used for the Vertex 4500/4600 mobiles and 450 portables. It has a number of “manufacturer” or “engineering” modes that allow access to fields in the programming software that are not normally accessible, which will allow changing of band limits (to allow out-of-band frequencies, such as amateur) and numerous other features and tweaks. Because of the nature of these fields, they can cause damage to your radio and serious degradation of performance. Do not use any of these engineering modes if you do not know what you’re getting into!

Command Line Switches:

/kaiha or –kaiha: This is manufacturer mode, and when successfully entered, will show a (M) after the program name in the title bar of the window. The password for this mode is “Kaihatsusha Senyou” (case-sensitive, no quotes, with the space).

/eng or –eng: This is engineering mode, password is “pasuwa-do”. Has less functionality available, but still allows changing the frequency bandsplit.

/siriaru or –siriaru: I’m not sure what the name of this mode is, but it displays an (SP) in the title bar of the program window. It seems to block out most (if not all) of the options in the Common > Hardware menu, and there doesn’t seem to be any features that are added… Password is “kanri bango”.

/ship or –ship: Again, not really sure of the name of this mode, other than “SHIP” mode (as shown in the titlebar. It must have some use in the factory… The password is “koujyou”.

Enjoy!

Max Kelley KC2SPY

max@maxkelley.com

[Skypilot007]

Originally Posted by cabletech

Any radio, does not matter the make, that is banded 450-up, will not go into the ham band.

There are radios that are banded 440-470 can with some careful tuning, you can get into the UPPER part of the ham band.

What you really need is a radio that is banded 430 to 450/470.

Cable tech surely is not a radio tech as your statement here couldn't be more false. Please maybe do a little research on a topic before posting completely incorrect information on the board. Every commercial radio I own that has a 450-520 band split is hackable down to 440MHz and they function perfectly, even on P25.

[rapidcharger]

Originally Posted by maxkelley

I am pleased to announce that I have discovered the hack to get into manufacturer mode for the CE115 programming software, that allows changing of band limits and lots of other parameters.

Excellent! Thank you for your helpful and on-topic post.

[MTS2000des]

Originally Posted by cabletech

Any radio, does not matter the make, that is banded 450-up, will not go into the ham band.

There are radios that are banded 440-470 can with some careful tuning, you can get into the UPPER part of the ham band.

What you really need is a radio that is banded 430 to 450/470.

This is about one of the most ignorant, blatant piles of non-truth I've read, but considering the source, it's par for the course.

Maxkelley, thanks for posting this breaktrough with VX software, it certainly makes some of their radios more desirable to us hams now that we know (despite what the peanut gallery may claim) can program into the 440 ham band, like the many other 450-520 radios I own that work fine on 440, like my MTS2000, HT1000, Visar, Kenwood TK-3180s to name a few.

[maxkelley]

Absolutely! Let me know if there are any other models that people are interested in getting onto the ham band, and I'll do my best with the software trickery...

[capturecom]

How about a VX-231 handheld? I can't seem to find anything on how to enter manufacturing or engineering modes for that unit. Thanks.