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Well, not quite - trunking aside, many Feds are now using P25 Phase 1 conventional - USCG and TSA being but 2 examples. That's a plus for Fed monitors. And there are some LEOs using Phase 1 conventional as well. Phase 2 conventional? I've never seen that.

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I think I could have written that better (even though I did say 'for those of us monitoring trunk systems') - it was meant to say that trying to even listen to a trunk system of any type in conventional mode is pretty futile and almost worthless....

I wasn't speaking of conventional P25 ... that's pretty routine and not really the focus of this...
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The DV10 I had chance to experienced past weeks is totaly unblocked. It recevied 800/900Mhz range.

You got your hands on a DV10?

Can you tell us more?

Did you experiment a little with P25 mode to see what it is capable of doing?
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"Itís important to realize that Phase 2 is currently only available for trunked P25 operation. For radio to radio and conventional P25 operation, Phase 1 is still used."



https://www.taitradioacademy.com/top...and-phase-2-1/
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"Itís important to realize that Phase 2 is currently only available for trunked P25 operation. For radio to radio and conventional P25 operation, Phase 1 is still used."



https://www.taitradioacademy.com/top...and-phase-2-1/
Yes - so this really makes the note the indication that this radio will do Phase 2 somewhat curious and interesting....
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You got your hands on a DV10?

Can you tell us more?

Did you experiment a little with P25 mode to see what it is capable of doing?
AOR France has one and past year they emailed to offer opportunity to perform some test at the facilities.
The DV10 I used was labeled as a prototype. The firmware was not finished.
So, only AM, FM and COSPAS mode. No digital mode.
Also there is no P25 network around.

What I was in position to evaluate is the very good sensitivity. I noticed not FQ band block.

I already pre-ordered one past December and wait for the delivery.
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"Itís important to realize that Phase 2 is currently only available for trunked P25 operation. For radio to radio and conventional P25 operation, Phase 1 is still used."



https://www.taitradioacademy.com/top...and-phase-2-1/
The accepted standards currently exist for trunking only. Decoding the protocol on a single frequency is still possible. I will reiterate what I have said before. Decoding a protocol and trunk tracking are two different things, and given upper management's previous statements that "we make receivers, not scanners" I doubt you will see more than the ability to decode the protocol on a given frequency.
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Any news about release date???
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So it looks like in France the DV10 is going to be marketed -- not only as a digital/analog receiver -- as a device to be used by rescuers, as well, to locate nearby PLBs that transmit the 406MHz COSPAS SARSAT distress signal.

That's interesting.
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The accepted standards currently exist for trunking only. Decoding the protocol on a single frequency is still possible. I will reiterate what I have said before. Decoding a protocol and trunk tracking are two different things, and given upper management's previous statements that "we make receivers, not scanners" I doubt you will see more than the ability to decode the protocol on a given frequency.

I agree that they are two different things, but that's why there is Phase I which is the APCO25 standard on a single channel whereas Phase II cannot be just one channel. In other words, by definition, Phase II is a trunked system because if it isn't a Phase II, then by the process of elimination it would be simply called Phase I. And I don't mean for the last sentence to come across as condescending in any way, just pointing out my reasoning.

I understand what you're saying about "upper management's" rationale, but look at statements made in the past by Steve Jobs, for example. He once said that no one is going to buy big phones they can't hold in one hand. A few years later, the Plus came out.

Companies change based on competition, market dynamics and technologies. If a company is not flexible or agile enough to adapt to market conditions, it is bound to fail. Companies are constantly adapting.

Now, here we are debating over a receiver that hasn't even come out yet, but it's an interesting debate nonetheless.

My guess is that AOR didn't mention anything about trunk tracking on the DV1 because it didn't want to hurt sales. I think eventually, as the chart posted earlier shows, both receivers will have trunk tracking.
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Curious - maybe it was stated before... who is producing this chart?

Seems odd to have a line specific to "P25 (P2) trunked" and no reference at all to P25 Phase 1 trunked... to me anyway....

It stills leave a gap in understanding regarding P25 trunking at all......

It could mean it doesn't do P25 trunking at all (initially) but it will (might?) do P25 Phase 2 in the future which would also imply it will do Phase 1 when that happens... but if so, why not show it as "P25 (P1 & P2) trunked" in the chart...

Very odd.
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Twas me that modified the chart that originaly came from AOR..
Would be interested on how to make it more informative...

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Twas me that modified the chart that originaly came from AOR..
Would be interested on how to make it more informative...

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Ah - the chart comes across as an AOR marketing chart but in fact, it's just a comparison chart that you made/modified? That's not good...

I guess in the end it doesn't really matter (to me anyway) -- Uniden has made sure I will NEVER buy another radio from ANY vendor that comes with promises of "future" features that may never materialize.

I did purchase a Unication G4 after hesitating for a bit with the "promise" of the coming Phase 2 firmware (still waiting). However, I bought that without regard for the lack of Phase 2 to overcome significant simulcast issues on the many Phase 1 trunk systems that were in my area.
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According e-mail from AOR,LTD (Overseas sales), release date will in mid of April in Japan.
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According to this:

Shortwave Central: Review: World Radio TV Handbook 2018

The World Radio TV Handbook 2018 has a review of the DV10.
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Possibly a cut and paste from AOR's sales literature...

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From official source: nothing before April.
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AOR has never really impressed me. Some of the things they do just baffle the mind. For example, why, in this day and age, do they STILL offer CTCSS ONLY as a slot card OPTION on their $700+ AR8200 Mark III portable and no DCS option? A slot card? Really? If they sold you a receiver and did not include any tones at all, fine, I don't like it but oh well. However, to offer one and not the other and in archaic slot card form is ridiculous. If you want to use their other cards ( recording, additional memory ) you have to remove the ctcss card and use only one at a time. So you can either choose to record or have ctcss tones but not both. Mind you the cards are EXTRA on top of the hefty price of the radio, of course. Come on, really AOR.....Same with the AR8600 Mark II which retails around $950. It isn't until you get into the more expensive receivers that tones are included.Now this new "receiver" will be able to decode 10 different modes. Let us see how much THIS little gem will go for......

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AOR has never really impressed me. Some of the things they do just baffle the mind. For example, why, in this day and age, do they STILL offer CTCSS ONLY as a slot card OPTION on their $700+ AR8200 Mark III portable and no DCS option? A slot card? Really? If they sold you a receiver and did not include any tones at all, fine, I don't like it but oh well. However, to offer one and not the other and in archaic slot card form is ridiculous. If you want to use their other cards ( recording, additional memory ) you have to remove the ctcss card and use only one at a time. So you can either choose to record or have ctcss tones but not both. Mind you the cards are EXTRA on top of the hefty price of the radio, of course. Come on, really AOR.....Same with the AR8600 Mark II which retails around $950. It isn't until you get into the more expensive receivers that tones are included.Now this new "receiver" will be able to decode 10 different modes. Let us see how much THIS little gem will go for......

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You do realise this is a 15 year old design don’t you? The original 8200 design is even older.
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