Lat / Long for new DTRS sites

[RFsponge]

Greetings all. I'm wondering, with all the new DTRS sites coming on-line currently and in the next few weeks, how we can compile site lat/long information for GPS-enabled scanners like the 996t and future generations of radios like it. I've been digging around in the FCC DB and cannot come up with info regarding the new sites Jim has found. Perhaps they are too new for the DB.

Anyway, I am open to ideas and am willing to help in any way I can. I do a lot of driving around the state, but don't possess the technical knowledge to hunt down locations of and log the activity from sites I may encounter. I am, however, willing to learn...

Also, I have started a list of sites with lat/long info, converted to DMS format, that are NOT included in the 996t's preloaded software. This list should in no way be considered official, as it is a patchwork of info from the FCC DB and educated guesses using Google Earth when the FCC fails me. I submited it to RR some time ago, but haven't seen it displayed anywhere. See the attatched file for what I've been able to come up with so far. It is, currently, not that long. About 17 or 18 sites.

Any ideas on how to gather this information, or how to include it in the RR DB in the future, would be appreciated.

Thanks!
Rob

 

[RFsponge]

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ADDITIONAL COLO DTRS SITES (NOT IN BCD99T PRELOAD)

SITE PRI FREQ TOWER LOCATION COUNTY LAT / LONG DMS CONVERSION
101 ARAP ADMIN 868.2375 County Admin building Arapahoe 39-37-11.8 N, 105-00-49.7 W 39.619950, -105.013794

127 MT. CARMEL 867.8000 17.6km E of Campo Baca 37-04-29.6 N, 102-22-46.3 W 37.074889, -102.379528

153 SHEEP MTN. 868.6500 Huerfano Co. Courthouse Huerfano 37-41-48.0 N, 105-11-47.0 W 37.696667, -105.196389
223 SMELTER MTN. 868.1375 .5 mi SW Durango La Plata 37-15-45.0 N, 107-53-28.8 W 37.262500, -107.891333
229 RASBERRY RDG. 868.9375 19 mi ENE of Nucla Montrose 38-18-52.0 N, 108-11-48.3 W 38.314444, -108.196750
234 TV HILL - PAONIA 868.9875 3.4 mi N of Paonia Delta 38-55-40.0 N, 107-36-05.0 W 38.927778, -107.681389
240 SAN LUIS 867.4375 .5 mi NW of San Luis Costila 37-12-16.5 N, 105-25-40.8 W 37.204583, -105.428000
243 LEES POINT 867.8375 3.2 mi SW of Gateway Mesa 39-38-40.9 N, 109-00-35.4 W 39.644694, -109.009833
246 GOBBLERS KNOB 867.7375 6.7 mi W of Nucla Montrose 38-15-19.0 N, 108-41-19.0 W 38.255298, -108.688611
248 RICO 868.9625 Rico Firehouse Dolores 37-41-35.9 N, 108-01-59.7 W 37.693306, -108.033250
260 MESA POINT 867.6875 34.7 mi WSW of Pueblo Pueblo 38-02-29.0 N, 105-11-07.0 W 38.041389, -105.185278
261 MONTE VISTA 867.3500 Water treatment plant Rio Grande 37-34-52.1 N, 106-08-57.6 W 37.581139, -106.149333
328 PEETZ 868.4875 9 mi SW of Peetz Logan 40-53-30.7 N, 103-13-47.0 W 40.891861, -103.229722
329 PAWNEE 867.8625 5.4 mi SW of Brush Morgan 40-12-13.9 N, 103-41-47.8 W 40.203861, -103.696611
331 IDALIA 868.7000 10.5 mi WNW of Idalia Yuma 39-43-50.0 N, 102-28-58.0 W 39.730556, -102.482778
351 HOYT 774.79375 ? (GPS: center of town) Adams 40-00-07.9 N, 103-35-32.8 W 40.001944, -103.592444
359 DRAKE 867.2750 2 mi W of Drake Larimer 40-25-55.3 N, 105-20-26.7 W 40.432033, -105.340764

 

[Spud]

DTRS locations

I have started a list of sites with lat/long info, converted to DMS format, that are NOT included in the 996t's preloaded software. This list should in no way be considered official, as it is a patchwork of info from the FCC DB and educated guesses using Google Earth when the FCC fails me. I submited it to RR some time ago, but haven't seen it displayed anywhere. See the attatched file for what I've been able to come up with so far. It is, currently, not that long. About 17 or 18 sites.

Any ideas on how to gather this information, or how to include it in the RR DB in the future, would be appreciated.

Thanks!
Rob

Just a note for those in the group that are Amateur Radio operators using UI-View for APRS operations...

I have a fairly complete "overlay" for that application that maps most all of the DTRS sites in areas 1 and 3 for Colorado. It is only missing one or two of the newest sites at this time.

If there is any interest in this format, I can post it somewhere like a Yahoo group for UI-View.

I am also available to assist in locating or verifying sites in NE Colorado if needed. I cover most of that area as a storm spotter for NWS Boulder during severe weather activity.


The spud.

 

[RFsponge]

Here are three more...

322 THORNTON 775.53125 City water tanks Adams 39-53-00.1 N, 104-57-28.2 W 39.883364, -104.957825
323 BULL MTN 867.5875 25 mi W of Red Fthr Lks Jackson 40-12-52.5 N, 103-17-39.5 W 40.214568, -103.294308
355 FT. LUPTON 774.83125 ? (GPS: center of town) Weld 40-05-05.1 N, 104-48-45.1 W 40.084739, -104.812514

Thanks!
Rob

Edit: THE BULL MTN INFO HERE IS WRONG! SEE POSTS BELOW FOR CORRECTED INFO. RMC

 

[Spud]

Bull Mountain ?

Here are three more...

322 THORNTON 775.53125 City water tanks Adams 39-53-00.1 N, 104-57-28.2 W 39.883364, -104.957825
323 BULL MTN 867.5875 25 mi W of Red Fthr Lks Jackson 40-12-52.5 N, 103-17-39.5 W 40.214568, -103.294308
355 FT. LUPTON 774.83125 ? (GPS: center of town) Weld 40-05-05.1 N, 104-48-45.1 W 40.084739, -104.812514

Thanks!
Rob

Unless I am missing something, the location listed for Bull Mountain (Site 323) places it about 4 miles NE of Xenia, CO on the eastern plains.

The listings for sites 322 and 355 are correct.

Let me know if I am just having a senior moment...

(FYI: Bull Mountain in Larimer County is located at about 40.52.18N and 105.49.64W)


Thanks,

The spud.

 

[scanlist]

322 THORNTON 775.53125 City water tanks Adams 39-53-00.1 N,

Anyone figured out where the other two site 322 towers are yet?

Phil.

 

[RFsponge]

Spud-

No sir, you are NOT having a senior moment. That would be me. I swear, Bull Mountain has been the bain of my existance. It's wrong in the pre-load from Uniden as well! The position I put a couple posts up was from an old DB in my USAD program that I had neglected to delete. Thanks to you, I have corrected my list, and my DB.

323 BULL MTN 867.5875 25 mi W of Red Fthr Lks Larimer 40-52-18.0 N, 105-49-64.0 W 40.871667, -105.834444

For why I think 323 is wrong in the pre-load, go to http://www.radioreference.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53165 Interesting reading and a link to the FCC's conversion site that I used for the list.

Thanks again!
Rob

 

[n0nhj]

Verdemont

38 11 28 105 26 29 Elev 8785'
NW of Westcliff

 

[RFsponge]

Please confirm: This would be site 116? Just want to make sure I get it right.

 

[jimmnn]

Please confirm: This would be site 116? Just want to make sure I get it right.

Yes Site 116 T0110 868.1125

But no one has gotten up there to log it yet.

Jim<

 

[RFsponge]

Cool. Just for grins, the DMS conversion for this site is:

38.191111, -105.441389

Google Earth puts it 4.17 miles North of Westcliff

Thanks!

 

[Spud]

Confused at a higher level...

Spud-

It's wrong in the pre-load from Uniden as well! The position I put a couple posts up was from an old DB in my USAD program that I had neglected to delete. Thanks to you, I have corrected my list, and my DB.

323 BULL MTN 867.5875 25 mi W of Red Fthr Lks Larimer 40-30-05.8 N, 102-22-33.2 W 40.501600, -102.375900

Thanks again!
Rob

Hi again...

I am wondering about the location in the quote above. The location of 40.30.xx and 102.22.xx is out near Holyoke east of Sterling.

The location I mentioned in my previous post is for the actual mountain top. Bull Mountain in Larimer County is located at about 40.52.18N and 105.49.64W If the DTRS site is near that location, I think that it is probably going to have prefixes such as 40.5x.xx and 105.4x.xx

Also, thanks for the link to the conversion site.

The spud

 

[RFsponge]

Curse you Bull Mountain!!!

Spud- I think if I ever find myself hiking on this mountain, I'll be killed by a lightning strike...

I will defer to your mountain top coordinates. I guess I'm geographically dyslesic today. Had it in my head that 102 meant further west for some reason. Thank you again! I'll edit my previous to reflect your info.

Rob

 

[datainmotion]

Anyone figured out where the other two site 322 towers are yet?

Phil.

According to AdCom, one is at the Thornton Civic Center and the other is...crap, I forgot. At any rate, I'll be picking up a site list from a reliable source this week and of course sharing!
On another note, I took about a week and compliled a site list w/ #, name, CC freq., CSP Troop location, Lat/Lon and Troop coverage. It's taken 3 days just for the wife to start talking to me again :lol: . Some sites (i.e. - Ft. Lupton) are educated guesses as to location, but most are taken from the FCC db. I compiled the list in Open Office, but am trying to decide what to convert it to...

 

[RFsponge]

Help offered

I have to go to Limon on business midday Friday and will be happy to cruise up to Last Chance when I'm done. If anyone out there can tell me how I could help log a site with a 796D or a 296D and an attatched XP laptop, let me know and I'll be happy to do it. I have no idea how a "Tower File" is created, but if it's software I can download to the computer and learn how to use in a short time, I'll be happy to do it. Barring that, would it help to simply go out there, sit and search for the strongest control channel signal I can find and log the frequency?

Let me know how/if I can help.

P.S. This site does not appear to be in the FCC DB yet.

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Based on Jim's info, here are three more to add to the list in this thread:

116 VERDEMONT 868.1125 4.17 mi N of Westcliffe Custer 38-11-28.0 N, 105-26-29.0 W 38.191111, -105.441389
339 LAST CHANCE 000.0000 ? (GPS:Hwys 36 & 71) Washington 39-44-24.0 N, 103-35-36.6 W 39.740000, -103.593500
244 CUPOLA HILL(moved) 868.7500? 20 mi S of Gunnison Saguache 38-16-04.9 N, 106-51-40.1 W 38.268028, -106.861139

I'm wondering if the name for 244 might be changed to "Sawtooth" due to it's move. I have no info on it, but it would seem to make sense. Also, Jim says the CC for it has changed. The CC here is from the RR DB.

The coordinates for 339 are simply the intersection of highways there. If memory serves, I think there's a pretty tall tower in the NE corner. Could be wrong and Google Earth dosen't have good resolution there. Obviously, we don't know the CC yet. If the tower is not right at the intersection, the terrain should be forgiving enough until we can get better coordinates.

Rob

 

[rc104a]

260 MESA POINT 867.6875 34.7 mi WSW of Pueblo Pueblo 38-02-29.0 N, 105-11-07.0 W 38.041389, -105.185278

The Mesa Point I am familiar with is located near the Delta/Mesa Co line about 5 miles east (up Grand Mesa) of Hwy 50 between Grand Junction and Delta.

No clue as to where that Pueblo location came from.

Rick
Paonia/GJ CO

 

[RFsponge]

My (flawed?) methodology

Rick-

As you've most likely discovered in previous posts, It is entirely possible that my info is incorrect. My info came from the FCC licence for WPUP364. I did a geographic search for the control channel frequency 867.6875 and came up with this:

http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=2399206

Could we be talking about two different sites using the same control channel frequency?

There are three users for this freq in Colorado according to the FCC DB. Two are the State of Colorado, and one is for Lakewood. The second Colorado listing, WPTL723, is way out in Kit Carson County, but the notations on the licence do not say it's for the Colorado DTRS. Every other licence I've seen involving the DTRS, including WPUP364, has that notation.

If I'm doing this wrong, I'm sure you fine folks out there in RR land will let me know! Always willing to learn! Thanks in advance for all your help.

Rob

 

[RFsponge]

Further checking...

And further checking reveals that my coordinates for 151 Deer Peak and 260 Mesa Point put them all of 4.28 miles from each other in Custer County west of Beulah. I'm confident that Deer Peak (WPUP364) is correct and am now equally confident that my idea of where Mesa Point is, is not!

Unless someone can think of why a Zone 1 site and Zone 2 site need to be so close to each other... I wouldn't trust my info for Mesa Point for now...

Very frustrating...

 

[jimmnn]

And further checking reveals that my coordinates for 151 Deer Peak and 260 Mesa Point put them all of 4.28 miles from each other in Custer County west of Beulah. I'm confident that Deer Peak (WPUP364) is correct and am now equally confident that my idea of where Mesa Point is, is not!

Unless someone can think of why a Zone 1 site and Zone 2 site need to be so close to each other... I wouldn't trust my info for Mesa Point for now...

Very frustrating...

Mesa Point is in Mesa County.

Jim<

 

[RFsponge]

Cool. Do you have licence / coordinate info so I can correct my list?

Thanks!