FCC database help

[Emoney250]

So looking at WPVB743 (Rolling Hills casino) and WQXN694 Win River Casino, it looks like they are BOTH TRUNKED systems. I monitor Win River daily. It is trunked. I have the TWO freq in my scanner and it works great. I do not miss conversations.

I am trying to get Rolling Hills dialed into my scanner. Using the FCC database, I entered BOTH freq that appear to be repeater (based on the "location" information). I entered system as an LTR and also an EDACS separately in my BCD536HP. I also turned on my ID search mode.

The issue is only radio traffic comes in on only one of the freq. I was using a SECOND scanner to monitor the freq as conventional to know I was in range. Then I used my BCD and the "analyze" feature (LCN finder) for BOTH system types and got nothing. Even as my second scanner was getting a transmission, the BCD analyzer would not locate an LCN.

Question: on the FCC page, is there somewhere I can find what type (LTR or EDACS) of radio system they are using and whether or not a transmission is DIGITAL OR ANALOG?

Thanks ahead.

 

[dave3825]

The freqs listed for Rolling Hills show an emission designator of 11K2F3E

11K2F3E is listed on Apco Emission Designators as,

2.5 kHz deviation FM "narrowband 12.5 kHz" analog voice, 11.25 kHz occupied bandwidth (11K0 and 11K3 prefixes are effectively considered the same as 11K2); 30 - 50 MHz licensees DO NOT need to convert to this.

However, there are errors within the FCC database and or agencies that have not updated the FCC with any changes to their freqs. By me, there are systems that are labeled analog but are indeed digital.

 

[AlphaFive]

FCC

Good morning, you probably already tried this, but, in your 536, build a conventional system using all of the frequencies your are examining. See what your 536 is registering them as. Take care.

Also, as what was just said, so many users fail to update their license information recently, I have lost count how many DMR, and NXDN systems are showing what they are in the radio, but the license still list the emissions designator as what you found.. good luck.

 

[mmckenna]

WQXN694 is a microwave system in Florida.

Searching the FCC database, I found two licenses under "Win River"

An expired trunked system license:
ULS License - Industrial/Business Pool, Trunked License - WQGA611 - Win River Casino - Frequency 000153.02000000

An active conventional system license:
ULS License - Industrial/Business Pool, Conventional License - WPSH401 - WIN RIVER CASINO - Frequencies Summary

If we trust that Win River really isn't running on an expired license, then set your scanner up based on WPSH401:
152.270, repeater output, shown as narrow band FM analog.
152.285, repeater output, shown as narrow band FM analog.
They have a number of simplex channels, you can try programming those in if you are close enough.


If you do want to try the expired license, which still could be in use, try setting it up as analog FM narrow and see if you can hear them. It's showing as analog, so likely an LTR system.

 

[Emoney250]

I really appreciate the input. So let's try this. Looking at the FCC database of a licensee, is there anyway to tell what type/brand the frequency is: APCO 25, DMR, NXDN, as well as digital or analog?

thanks again

 

[nd5y]

Looking at the FCC database of a licensee, is there anyway to tell what type/brand the frequency is: APCO 25, DMR, NXDN, as well as digital or analog?

Look at the emission designator(s) listed for each frequency on the license.
There may be different types listed and they may or may not reflect what is actually used in real life.

 

[mmckenna]

I really appreciate the input. So let's try this. Looking at the FCC database of a licensee, is there anyway to tell what type/brand the frequency is: APCO 25, DMR, NXDN, as well as digital or analog?

Yes, for an example, click this link:

ULS License - Industrial/Business Pool, Conventional License - WPSH401 - WIN RIVER CASINO - Frequencies Summary

Then click on one of the frequencies.

It will take you to a new page. On there you will see a field marked "emissions". On that one it will say 11K0F3E
You can look up emission designators here:
https://www.apcointl.org/spectrum-m...ent-resources/licensing/emission-designators/

Note, on that page you will not see an 11K0F3E, you'll see an 11K2F3E, which is the same thing.

Almost all emission types will have a unique designator, so that will tell you what it is.

The "Radio Service" field on the frequency page (near the top right) will often tell you if it's a trunked system.

But, users have been known to change their systems and forget to update the license, so take what the FCC license page says with a grain of salt. At least it's a good place to start looking.

 

[Emoney250]

thanks again all!!

 

[zz0468]

WQXN694 is a microwave system in Florida.

That would make for some interesting monitoring.