Pinellas P25 Site 004

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LeapFrog

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Looks like the control channel(s) for site 004 have gone missing. I did hear some discussion a few days ago between dispatchers and units talking about reprogramming radios.

Anyone know what this is about?
 

esarks

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That explains why Site 004 went dark on my scanner. Thanks for the info...thought it was me.
 

CanesFan95

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Site 10 also seems to have changed frequencies per what I found in this thread. I haven't submitted any updates yet. Maybe someone else can confirm first?
 

baayers

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In the Largo and Pinellas Park areas the database entries for site 10 have not worked in a long time. Doing a search would find me the control channels for sites 2, 4, 5, and 12 but never 10 until now. Tonight doing a search found no active CC for site 4 but am now seeing a CC for site 10 on 859.9625MHz.
 

kayleesdad

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Yep, all I am picking up withe 396T in cc search with an rs800 antenna is:

Site 10. 859.9625
Site 2. 851.5375
Site 5. 856.9625
Site 12. 769.10625 with yagi
 
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Bolt21

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Try 856.2125 for site 4. Sifted through the FCC db and came up with this one that was unaccounted for. I'm too far north in the county to decode site 4 consistently.
 

Jay911

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If somebody is running Unitrunker or PRO96COM, you should be able to get the freq from the neighbor site declarations.
 

kayleesdad

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Only sites 002, 010, and 012 are peers with site 005, with cc's listed above. System apco p25 BEE00-802. Still 1 slot system. Nothing on 856.2125. Seems site 4 has been offline in the past.
 
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baayers

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As of tonight I am still seeing no site 4 when doing searches. From a traffic perspective I am hearing most of the stuff on site 10 that I previously did on 4. From here in Largo the biggest difference I have seen other than a different site ID is the reception. With the old site 4 from here with my 325 I had to manually set the threshold to 8 and although everything was fully understandable I would still see an error rate around 40–60 depending on where I used the Scanner. With the new site that came online I am literally seeing 0 errors. I’m curious how the new changes are affecting the Pinellas Park and St. Pete areas? I’ve been staying with a friend who just had surgery and needed someone to be here so have not gotten a chance to get home and check for myself yet.
 

sanman1960

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requesting help

Was previously listening to site 4 for several years to City of St. Petersburg talk groups and now my scanner is silent, Added in the suggested frequencies (site 10 ) recommended on here this past week and only picked up 3 or 4 transmissions in 6hours with what appeared to be the same talk group ids. Any idea of what has changed ?? Are their new frequencies that have been added ?? Thanks !!
 

kayleesdad

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Try the other sites. I listen to them on Site 2 which comes in pretty well where I am at.
 

troymail

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Could just be a (temporary) site failure.... I had a site in my area go out a few months ago - it was down for several days before they restored it.

Beyond that, you may just want to try some searches looking for control channel frequencies.... at least, that's what I would do.

EDIT: Maybe it has already been discussed/consider but the license that seems to exist for that site lists xx more frequencies in addition to the xx frequencies that have been previously submitted to the RR database. Has anyone checked for or tried to add these to your programming?

ULS License - PubSafty/SpecEmer/PubSaftyNtlPlan,806-817/851-862MHz,Trunked License - KNJU726 - SAINT PETERSBURG, CITY OF

Posted on RRDB
854.86250
856.93750
857.21250
857.93750
858.21250
858.93750
859.21250
859.53750
859.93750

Other licensed frequencies for the St Petersburg Simulcast site
856.21250
856.71250
857.71250
857.88750
858.71250
859.71250
 
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baayers

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Could just be a (temporary) site failure.... I had a site in my area go out a few months ago - it was down for several days before they restored it.

Beyond that, you may just want to try some searches looking for control channel frequencies.... at least, that's what I would do.

EDIT: Maybe it has already been discussed/consider but the license that seems to exist for that site lists xx more frequencies in addition to the xx frequencies that have been previously submitted to the RR database. Has anyone checked for or tried to add these to your programming?

ULS License - PubSafty/SpecEmer/PubSaftyNtlPlan,806-817/851-862MHz,Trunked License - KNJU726 - SAINT PETERSBURG, CITY OF

Posted on RRDB
854.86250
856.93750
857.21250
857.93750
858.21250
858.93750
859.21250
859.53750
859.93750

Other licensed frequencies for the St Petersburg Simulcast site
856.21250
856.71250
857.71250
857.88750
858.71250
859.71250

I just did a search tonight both in St. Pete as well as Pinellas Park and definitely no site 4. From my home in Pinellas Park I am hearing all of the traffic from site 10 but with only 2-3 bars. As I type this message I am listening to to St. Pete PD officers complaining about how bad the reception has been since Friday.
 

troymail

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As I type this message I am listening to to St. Pete PD officers complaining about how bad the reception has been since Friday.

This definitely makes it sound like it's an unplanned outage. I'm pretty sure I was hearing similar things during the site outage on the system in my area a few months ago. Looking at the tower locations for the St. Pete site, that's a pretty large area to be without local coverage.
 

LeapFrog

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Could be the tower relocation

As part of the new SPPD HQ complex they built a new tower just to the west of the old one and (I assume) will be / are moving the antennas to the new tower. Most likely that is what is driving the changes to Site 4 and maybe site 10 as well.
 

troymail

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As part of the new SPPD HQ complex they built a new tower just to the west of the old one and (I assume) will be / are moving the antennas to the new tower. Most likely that is what is driving the changes to Site 4 and maybe site 10 as well.

If the license is anywhere near accurate, this St. Pete simulcast site consists of 5 tower locations. I suppose it is possible that they would/would need to take the entire simulcast site down for a single tower/transmitter move like that...

Aren't puzzles fun?
:)
 

kayleesdad

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A recent unitrunker sample came up with these control channels for the following sites:

Site 10: 859.9625, 858.2375

Site 2: 851.5375, 853.2000

Site 5: 856.9625, 851.2000, 851.6125, 858.7375
 

kayleesdad

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Well, at least for today it looked like this....

Pinellas County
APCO P25 BEE00-802

Site 001-005

851.08750
851.20000 Control CC
851.33750
851.58750
851.61250 Alternate CC
851.85000
852.08750
852.28750
852.36250
852.83750
852.86250
853.03750
853.16250
853.41250
853.66250
853.91250
856.13750
856.23750
856.46250
856.73750
856.96250 Control CC
857.73750
857.96250
858.46250
858.58750
858.73750 Alternate CC
859.73750

Pinellas County
APCO P25 BEE00-802

Site 001-002

851.16250
851.30000
851.53750 Control CC
851.90000
852.15000
853.07500
853.20000 Alternate CC
853.37500
853.86250

Pinellas County APCO P25 BEE00-802
Site 001-010

851.08750
851.85000
852.83750
857.46250
858.23750 Alternate CC
859.46250
859.96250 Control CC

Clearwater City Services (P25 Phase II - 2 channels per frequency, or something like that)
APCO P25 91F81-00A

Site 010-010

854.96250 Control CC
855.48750 Alternate CC and voice
855.71250 Alternate CC and voice
855.96250 Alternate CC and voice
856.43750 Alternate CC and voice
857.43750 Alternate CC and voice
857.98750 Alternate CC and voice
858.18750 Alternate CC and voice
858.43750 Alternate CC and voice
858.98750 Alternate CC and voice
859.43750 Alternate CC and voice
 

ngel

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Site 4 shows failed

See the attached image. This is a run from pro96com monitoring site 5. It shows site 4 failed, not sure what this is about.
 

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