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UV-5R talking to Midland GXT1000VP4*

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I recently went on vacation where cell service is spotty, and used radios to communicate. I am having some trouble getting my UV-5R taking to my Midland radio. It seems like I have to point the UV-5R in a certain direction for the Midland radio to pick up the signal and vice versa. It also seemed to get worse as the week went on.

Are the UV-5R radios just cheap or did I get a broken one?

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I think I got them working again, I did a factory reset on the uv-5r and that seems to have fixed the problem

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Midland is an FRS/GMRS radio certified under Part 95. Baofeng is certified under Part 90. This means that it is illegal to use the Baofeng on FRS/GMRS frequencies. Like you or anyone else cares. People do it all the time.
 

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Are the UV-5R radios just cheap or did I get a broken one?
Several companies make them, or clones. They have highly variable build quality. You never know what you are getting. Some people have good luck with them, others don't. I think they are mostly junk. If you get good ones that actually work they should be fine for use within 1/4 mile or less with strong signal levels but not suitable for weak signal work at a distance.
 

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Midland is an FRS/GMRS radio certified under Part 95. Baofeng is certified under Part 90. This means that it is illegal to use the Baofeng on FRS/GMRS frequencies. Like you or anyone else cares. People do it all the time.
Interesting, are there uhf/vhf that are not illegal to broadcast on gmrs bands?

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Several companies make them, or clones. They have highly variable build quality. You never know what you are getting. Some people have good luck with them, others don't. I think they are mostly junk. If you get good ones that actually work they should be fine for use within 1/4 mile or less with strong signal levels but not suitable for weak signal work at a distance.
I bought this one off eBay for $20, but I probably get what I pay for. After I get my license I may buy one of the 8w models and get a good antenna for it to see what happens

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Interesting, are there uhf/vhf that are not illegal to broadcast on gmrs bands?

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What it amounts to is that FCC doesn't think you, as a licensed GMRS user, have enough common sense to program your radios with the right GMRS UHF frequencies..... so they made the rules that GMRS radios must be sold with preprogrammed frequencies and not be capable of transmitting on any other frequencies. You can change the CTCSS/DCS but not the transmitting frequencies. Some radios like the GMRS-V1 made by BTECH (A Baofeng Company) you can add many, many other RECEIVE frequencies for monitoring (use it like a scanner) but not transmit freqs.

By the making of this rule it limits the amount of "Brand New" radios (compared to other frequency bands) available for purchase for GMRS end users that are "Type 95" certified.

Some day soon FCC will realize that when it comes to communications the majority of the Licensed GMRS users are no more smarter or dumber than that of Amateur, Public Safety, Commercial, Marine, Air, Military, etc... radio operators. It's a known fact that many Licensed GMRS operators go on to get their Amateur "ticket" after having their GMRS license and talking on radios for awhile. One might say that now days GMRS has become the front door to Amateur Radio, since not much of anything else of major importance brings them in like did 30 years ago.

As the individual said earlier (kinda of rudely in my opinion), "Like you or anyone else cares. People do it all the time".......and he's correct. Unless you advertise, like you did here, that you are talking on a not type certified radio...me nor anyone else will never know that you are using one when you use your radios. It's not like a non-certified radio blurts out "I'm not 95 certified" when you key it up so no one really knows what your using. Some will try to convince you that they know, but trust me, after 30+ years in the radio business.... they won't.

Just so you know, some of the UV-5r's that came off the production lines had issues. Doing a reset seems to correct it for a period of time. There is a "update" in firmware but you will have to search for it. It seems that the UV-5r-Plus took care of a lot of issues, but like anything else that is mass produced for a cheap price, they too have some other issues at times. I've bought a many, and I mean a many compared to today's numbers, of the UV-5r-Plus (about twenty), and the little UHF 16 channel BF-888s (about 80 or more) Baofeng radios, and out of that many I have only run across two that were defective. Many will say they are made cheap as cheap can get....but this day and time, because of the price compared to other radios on the market, you wouldn't have as many young people getting their Amateur license if it wasn't for them there Baofeng radios. I know of several Ham clubs around that hand out the BF-888s, (UHF, programmable, 16 channel w/scan radio) to new ham operators the day they pass the test. For ten bucks to my front door.... the way I look at it.... if they lose it, drop it or the radio just stops working....throw it away and give'em another one.

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I'm sorry my previous post was taken to be rude. I was merely suggesting that no one really cares what you do and the difference between certified and non-certified radios is lost on most people.

I think that the FCC has created a situation that like they did with CB in the old days. Out of control and not likely to ever be under control.

Can you program your Baofeng to operate on FRS/GMRS? Of course you can. Do you know how the channels are set up and the power and bandwidth limitations for a given channel? You could easily look it up, but you won't in all likelihood. Does it matter? In theory, of course, but in practice not much. Nevertheless, that's why dedicated GMRS radios are not programable.

I find it ironic that I could legally talk (with permission) on my local fire department repeater with my Baofeng (Part 90 accepted), but not on GMRS (not Part 95 accepted).
 

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Keep in-mind that FRS radios should be set to a narrower audio bandwidth than a general-purpose UHF transceiver set to a FRS frequency, so that can cause some issues.
 

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Interesting, are there uhf/vhf that are not illegal to broadcast on gmrs bands?
No. A GMRS-only radio can't get FCC Part 95 certification if it can transmit on any other frequencies. There are several higher end UHF radios for commercial use that include Part 95 certification for GMRS use but they are not capable of VHF.
 

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I find it ironic that I could legally talk (with permission) on my local fire department repeater with my Baofeng (Part 90 accepted), but not on GMRS (not Part 95 accepted).

How true of a statement that is, and, this has been true for over the 30+ years I've been in and around the two-way radio field. Started with the beginning of the multi-channel synthesized radios back in the 70's-80's (can we say Regency/Wilson & Icom) and hasn't changed since. In all these years I've never heard of or seen any violations for using non-certified type radios on any band.... Not likely I will see any in the future either.
 
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