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Old 07-06-2018, 2:33 PM
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Is there a Federal law or DHS directive which will require all law enforcement communications to be AES encrypted by 2021? After a rather lengthy search, I can't seem to find anything about it on the Web.
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Old 07-06-2018, 2:36 PM
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I haven't heard anything like that, and I work in the industry.

Doesn't mean someone didn't suggest it, or some hobbyist got it confused with something else.
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Old 07-06-2018, 2:42 PM
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Not that I have heard of but at this point not much would surprise me. I think if they may want everyone who is encrypted to be using AES by 2021 as part of the inter op initiative. But I haven't seen any mandated order anywhere that agencies have to encrypt. With Motorola having proprietary algos like ADP for p25 and Basic and Advanced Privacy on trbo I don't think everyone will be going AES any time soon. There was a mandate that any radio sold with encryption must now also have AES included as well. So if you buy a radio with ADP it must also have the a software AES option as well.

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What equipment salesman is telling you this?
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There was a article on it a while back in one of the communications magizines.

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What equipment salesman is telling you this?
Didn't come from a salesman. I've been going back and forth with a police commander over an issue. He's convinced that there's some federal mandate out there that states all law enforcement communications must be strapped with AES by 2021. Most of the responses here so far confirmed my suspicions...he's most likely being fed some BS.
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Encryption and interoperability are not a good combination. Keeping hundreds of thousands of radios all updated with the correct keys would be an impossible task. Getting key information to the agencies would be difficult to do with any level of security. It's been hard enough getting agencies to add the NIFOG frequencies to their radios. Getting them to get the encryption keys added and kept up to date would be impossible. Someone is always going to be running the "old key".

I know there are some that have a grand image about how everything will be magically updated, but it's not going to happen. Most agencies do not have their own radio guys, and they have to pay a shop to do programming changes.

Might be a good idea, but in reality it's never going to work.
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Old 07-06-2018, 4:09 PM
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I haven't heard anything like that, and I work in the industry.

Doesn't mean someone didn't suggest it, or some hobbyist got it confused with something else.
Probably the radio shop getting it confused with something else or someone from Harris sales is trying to pull a fast one. Who knows.
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maybe FAKE NEWS?? lol
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Didn't come from a salesman. I've been going back and forth with a police commander over an issue. He's convinced that there's some federal mandate out there that states all law enforcement communications must be strapped with AES by 2021. Most of the responses here so far confirmed my suspicions...he's most likely being fed some BS.
Yep, just like the “narrow-band” mandate and so-called “interoperability” can all be achieved cheaply with even analog equipment for most agencies out there...

HIPAA is another misguided lie to go with encryption...
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Didn't come from a salesman. I've been going back and forth with a police commander over an issue. He's convinced that there's some federal mandate out there that states all law enforcement communications must be strapped with AES by 2021. Most of the responses here so far confirmed my suspicions...he's most likely being fed some BS.
Unfortunately, radio vendors, and you can guess who, like to make up crap to sell systems and boxes. If you say a lie enough times it becomes law.

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Its unfortunate the people who make the decisions about systems tend to know the least about them.
Police chiefs, fire chiefs, mayors, city councils, who ever is in power to make the decision based on a sneaky sales person.
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No mandate. It's an agency decision.
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I have seen comments posted saying that National Park Service law enforcement or perhaps all federal law enforcement may have an encryption mandate. But the federal government would be overstepping its bounds to tell a local police agency it must encrypt. That's different than mandating narrow banding or re-banding where other entities wanting to use the radio spectrum might benefit.

Ask the police commander to send you a link to a document showing the mandate. If he can't point to a document, then it's just a rumor or deliberately false information that shouldn't be acted upon.
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NPTSC would be the ones most likely recommending any mandate and they have not.

www.npstc.org


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Its unfortunate the people who make the decisions about systems tend to know the least about them.
Police chiefs, fire chiefs, mayors, city councils, who ever is in power to make the decision based on a sneaky sales person.
Yep. I can tell you exactly how it goes down. Once you get the police chief, fire chief, etc on board with a made up sales pitch "law", they then take that info and run wild with it to the city council and varies sub committees. Usually a bunch of "fluff" is involved. Meaning, they'll have backup paperwork with a whole bunch of confusing and convoluted info supporting the sales pitch "law". Votes happen.

And the rest is history...
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And that loud sucking sound you hear is the taxpayers money being drained away.
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Is there a Federal law or DHS directive which will require all law enforcement communications to be AES encrypted by 2021?
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After a rather lengthy search, I can't seem to find anything about it on the Web.
That's frequently a clue that something doesn't exist.
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There is Alot on p-25 / mandates / lmr and More---I Did a Simple Search on DHS Website and Searched Using Keyword *(Encryption Mandate)* & *(Encryption Mandate Deadline 2021)*

Here is the LINK----> https://search.usa.gov/search?utf8=%...&commit=Search

There Really Is,nt Anything On 2021 Finalization--But there is Some Good Readings


This is a Public Comment Feedback Matrix for Non-Standard Encryption CAB / February 28, 2017

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/fi...on-CAB-508.pdf

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