ID callsign in Itinerant Freqs

[ArtU]

Hi, I have been scanning and recording the use locally of the common Itinerant frequencies. I've noticed that over the course of a month of listening absolutely no call signs are being used. My mobile radio I programmed them in also in the Band B of my dual receiver radio. I've found mall stores, box stores , construction crew, restaurants,and wide load escorts around this part of the state.

But no ID. In looking at part 90.47 it says you must ID unless on of the exceptions like telemetery.

I am wondering what others have found?

Art

 

[nd5y]

Same thing. Businesses very rarely comply with FCC station identification requirements. Many public safety users don't either.

 

[RaleighGuy]

That is probably because most people using those channels don't have a license to ID. I work with several construction crews who are not licensed on the freqs they use, one even uses the default freqs/PL from when they bought the radio 18 months ago.

 

[crazyboy]

Not sure I have ever head of a business or public safety agency ID'ing on a simplex frequency.

 

[alcahuete]

Do most users even know the callsign? What if you have a 50 radio business using itinerant frequencies for simplex. Are all 50 users supposed to a) know the callsign and b) brodcast that call sign? How about a school district with 100 buses and say 1000 radios? Is the noon duty aide supposed to broadcast the callsign? Cashier girl at a local business? Police officers on a mobile simplex frequency?

Nobody (business or public safety) complies with this rule. And quite honestly, I think it's a ridiculous rule in the first place.

 

[ko6jw_2]

There is conflicting information around regarding itinerant frequencies. I've seen some websites that sell the HT's say that they don't need licenses. Not true. I just licensed 8 DMR HT's on the four available frequencies on a national basis. It took 30 days and cost $170. The radios had been in use for months, but due to a bad Java applet on the FCC ULS system it took me a while to get the process started. The great thing about using DMR on those frequencies is that the analog users will hear noise and the DMR radios won't hear anything from analog users.

As to the call sign (one for all the units) I suppose that someone may ID once in a while (maybe). I have to check the radios, I use C4FM on amateur repeaters and all the radios digitally ID every 2 seconds. No need for voice ID. FCC is OK with that. Maybe I can program the call sign into the radios using DMR.

In the mean time who cares? At least they are legally licensed.

 

[W8RMH]

When I started working with business band and public safety radios in the early 1970s voice ID was strictly enforced by the license holders, however it was done by the dispatchers on simplex, duplex, and repeaters. The call signs were usually engraved on the radios, but I don't recall ever IDing as a non-dispatcher. When CW IDing came along everyone just got away from voice IDing. The FCC seems to enforce this rule about as much as the others.

 

[ArtU]

This is pretty much what I figured, that the end users either dont know the call sign to id with, don't know they need to, and/or dont have a license.

On Fridays Red Dot is all about the Bar everyone is going to when the whistle blows, hi hi

Purple dot seems to have a women's store on it in a nearby mall, with girl talk on it along with a big box store. [not wallys who uses murs]
Brown Dot has a Dog Kennel on it using it very often.

Art

 

[ArtU]

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[ArtU]

I just licensed 8 DMR HT's on the four available frequencies on a national basis. It took 30 days and cost $170. ....for voice ID. FCC is OK with that. Maybe I can program the call sign into the radios using DMR.

In the mean time who cares? At least they are legally licensed.

Looking at the frequencies I look to license there are much more then 4. The 4 that you talk about I think are the ones with repeater splits? But the repeaters are to be Itinerant use repeaters on a temp basis or simplex on the outputs?

Also did they reduce the fee from $260 to $170 now?
Reason I was scanning is I wanted to pick freqs not used around here and found about 12 with no or very little use.

 

[alcahuete]

Looking at the frequencies I look to license there are much more then 4. The 4 that you talk about I think are the ones with repeater splits? But the repeaters are to be Itinerant use repeaters on a temp basis or simplex on the outputs?

Also did they reduce the fee from $260 to $170 now?
Reason I was scanning is I wanted to pick freqs not used around here and found about 12 with no or very little use.

Yes, the fee is now $170 for everything below 470 MHz.