Breaking CSQ

[speedwaysafety]

I am new to UHF as I have used VHF for several years and have been using Kenwood hanhelds. We have a touring race group that comes to our track a couple of times a year and they use motorola radius handhelds. They finally gave me a freq list on their last stop and I programmed in their primary UHF freq in my radio and I can hear them but they can not hear me. At the bottom of their Freq list it says "all tones CSQ".
I understand or at least I think I understand CSQ and so I when I programmed my radio I left the tones blank. I havent been able to find anything in my radio programming for my Kenwood tk370 that says anything about CSQ (which I know there shouldn't be if I'm understanding this correctly)

My question is, Is there something I SHOULD be looking for that will help out so that when I transmit it will break the CSQ on their radios since they do not use a tone for TX or RX?

Thanks

 

[nd5y]

CSQ (carrier squelch) is the same thing as not programming a tone.
If a receiver has no tone programmed it will receive everything regardless of whether a tone is trasmitted or not.

 

[kma371]

Is this simplex? Maybe you programmed an offset by mistake?

If they arent using tones, and you aren't using tones, that would be the only other issue I can think of.

 

[ramal121]

In a Kenwood, setting QT/DQT to "none" is making the channel carrier squelch.

I think these guys are being sneaky and use a tone that they don't advertise. I know some tracks require you to monitor the officials for safety reasons (in CSQ) but don't want you hollering back at them, hence the tones are secret.

 

[robertmac]

This is amateur related how

Are they using amateur radio frequencies?

 

[KB8QDM]

If you can, send me a private message with the track and series name. I work for a company that covers safety and medical for a few tracks in the midwest, and might be able to help you out.

 

[Denverpilot]

Before someone says it in a mean way, I'll say it nicely...

Do the frequencies you're trying to operate on require Part 90 equipment? Your Amateur rig likely isn't supposed to be there.

Will the world come to an end or anyone really know? Perhaps not.

There, now the folks who make their living selling commercial radios won't get all testy like they like to do sometimes in these kinds of threads.

 

[mmckenna]

Do the frequencies you're trying to operate on require Part 90 equipment? Your Amateur rig likely isn't supposed to be there.

OP said in his first post that he is using a Kenwood TK-370. That is not an amateur radio, but a real Part 90 UHF handheld. So, he is legal there.

 

[Denverpilot]

Oops. Damn. Missed that. Completely misread it. And here I was trying to fend off the rabid folks. Hahaha.

Ahh well, Broncos had a bad night too.

 

[speedwaysafety]

Are they using amateur radio frequencies?

Sorry "robertmac" as the title of your reply says "this is amatuer related how" I am brand new to this forum and didnt see the track forum further down the list so I thought this was the most relevant place to ask my question.... thanks for the lack of help.....

 

[speedwaysafety]

If you can, send me a private message with the track and series name. I work for a company that covers safety and medical for a few tracks in the midwest, and might be able to help you out.

Again I am new to this forum site and am having trouble finding where to PM you. I looked in your member page with no luck where to I find that, or maybe I can't yet because I'm brand new to this site.

 

[speedwaysafety]

Is this simplex? Maybe you programmed an offset by mistake?

If they arent using tones, and you aren't using tones, that would be the only other issue I can think of.

yes it is simplex and that is what I thought regarding the tones as well. I will check to make sure I didnt set an offset by mistake since the handheld programming is very similar to the VHFs so I might have flown past that step in the radio without realizing it

 

[kb2vxa]

Here's a clue nobody picked up on.

"We have a touring race group that comes to our track a couple of times a year..."

You not being recognized as part of the group or otherwise authorized perhaps they ignore outsiders?

 

[burner50]

Are they using amateur radio frequencies?

Instead of an inflammatory (and against the rules) post, why didn't you simply report the thread and try to help a new user? Is that sort of thing beneath you?

 

[KB8QDM]

Again I am new to this forum site and am having trouble finding where to PM you. I looked in your member page with no luck where to I find that, or maybe I can't yet because I'm brand new to this site.

I tried to send you a private message, but you either have that turned off, or the board is set so you can't send PMs until after you have a set number of posts.

Try this

Click me

Here's a clue nobody picked up on.

"We have a touring race group that comes to our track a couple of times a year..."

You not being recognized as part of the group or otherwise authorized perhaps they ignore outsiders?

In my experience, it's never been an issue.

I'm assuming, from his user name, that he works on the racetrack fire/medical crew. I work with a few different traveling series, and have never run into one that didn't want the track rescue crew to have communications with their officials and flagman. From the original post, it sounds like they gave him a list of their frequencies, but not PLs or DPLs. Or, as mentioned, there's a programming problem with the transmit frequency.

Considering that I've seen winged sprint cars turn 13 second half mile laps, and have clocked them on radar at 120+mph, things can go horribly wrong in a hurry.

 

[burner50]

I tried to send you a private message, but you either have that turned off, or the board is set so you can't send PMs until after you have a set number of posts.

Try this

Click me



In my experience, it's never been an issue.

I'm assuming, from his user name, that he works on the racetrack fire/medical crew. I work with a few different traveling series, and have never run into one that didn't want the track rescue crew to have communications with their officials and flagman. From the original post, it sounds like they gave him a list of their frequencies, but not PLs or DPLs. Or, as mentioned, there's a programming problem with the transmit frequency.

Considering that I've seen winged sprint cars turn 13 second half mile laps, and have clocked them on radar at 120+mph, things can go horribly wrong in a hurry.

New users are not granted access to private messaging.

Once the hit a certain number of posts, they are automatically upgraded to regular user, and have full functionality.


Spammers kept using the PM system once they figured out that their posts were being screened...

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[speedwaysafety]

I tried to send you a private message, but you either have that turned off, or the board is set so you can't send PMs until after you have a set number of posts.

Try this

Click me



In my experience, it's never been an issue.

I'm assuming, from his user name, that he works on the racetrack fire/medical crew. I work with a few different traveling series, and have never run into one that didn't want the track rescue crew to have communications with their officials and flagman. From the original post, it sounds like they gave him a list of their frequencies, but not PLs or DPLs. Or, as mentioned, there's a programming problem with the transmit frequency.

Considering that I've seen winged sprint cars turn 13 second half mile laps, and have clocked them on radar at 120+mph, things can go horribly wrong in a hurry.

Yeah I am unable to PM yet it says I dont have the privledge so I have no problem emailing you if you would like to do it that way....or I can just list the orginization on here

Yes I am the Safety Coordinator for our short 1/2 mile paved track and they usually give me one of their radios but they had some officials in training to take spots for next season. They have a radio guy set up their radios so they know little about them other than you turn them on and talk lol.

We have had some pretty narley rollovers at our track and even one that launched itself up and over one of our 10 ft fences into the parking lot. but they are a blast to watch race as well

anyways thanks for the help guys I will keep plugging along to see what I can track down

 

[burner50]

Yeah I am unable to PM yet it says I dont have the privledge so I have no problem emailing you if you would like to do it that way....or I can just list the orginization on here

Yes I am the Safety Coordinator for our short 1/2 mile paved track and they usually give me one of their radios but they had some officials in training to take spots for next season. They have a radio guy set up their radios so they know little about them other than you turn them on and talk lol.

We have had some pretty narley rollovers at our track and even one that launched itself up and over one of our 10 ft fences into the parking lot. but they are a blast to watch race as well

anyways thanks for the help guys I will keep plugging along to see what I can track down

You shouldn't have a problem sending private messages now...

Your last post showed up automatically without having to be approved.

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[speedwaysafety]

thank you Burner appreciate the help so far and this has been a great forum tool to surf and read