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Any new firmware get release in the last few weeks?
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OK. I have an NX-5700/NX-5800 configured in multi-deck with a single control head. I was hoping for a little help when it came to DMR Site Roaming and the programming associated with making this work.

In the NX-5800, I have a system set up for "DMR Site Roaming" under " System Type". Under "Personal Features" > "DMR" > I have my Base ID Type as "Group ID", I have "Active Site Hunt" checked so the radio will find the best site for me, I have "Radio Check" checked, under "Parameters, I have everything at default;
- Number of Retries - 2
- Transmit Busy Wait Time (s) - 10.0
- Maximum ACK Wait Time (s) - 2.0
- Sync Wakeup Wait Time (ms) - 360
- Number of Wakeup Message Retries - 2
- Preamble Length - 16, 960ms
Under "Individual Call Acknowledge Request" > I have "Individual Call Acknowledge Request" checked, and lastly "DMR Message Type" is checked.

Now, moving into the actual Personalities where the frequency information goes, is where I am getting a little confused. Before I get into the details, let me give a little background on the system I am trying to program:

The system was designed as a MotoTrbo DMR Conventional System with IP site connect. There are 3 different repeater sites and all the MotoTrbo radios are programmed to roam to the best site, depending on the location of the specific unit. This is done through the RSSI signal. For this particular system, there are three (3) group ID's programmed.

So, I have all of the sites programmed in, as an individual personality. For example, I have 6 personalities, with their associated names because some of the group ID's go to different color codes. Channels 1 and 2 have different frequencies from Channels 3 and 4, and 5 and 6, as they are at different sites.

So, moving on to How do I make this all work? Do I program each personality with the "Selcall on PTT" to off? When the radio roams to a site, I want to be able to select which group I want to place a call on or talk on for that matter. I guess what I am looking to do is have the radio determine the best site for me to be on, and then I want to select which group I want to transmit on.

Can someone give me a little guidance on this?
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I am interested in your settings and finding in doing roaming. I have not tried it myself and I have the same setup as you described.

My question is, will the kenwood roaming work correctly on a motorola conventional ip site connect system? Or does it have to be a kenwood dmr system?
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I am told it works well over in the UK from a couple guys over there. Settings I'm not sure what they are.

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I am interested in your settings and finding in doing roaming. I have not tried it myself and I have the same setup as you described.

My question is, will the kenwood roaming work correctly on a motorola conventional ip site connect system? Or does it have to be a kenwood dmr system?


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OK. I have an NX-5700/NX-5800 configured in multi-deck with a single control head. I was hoping for a little help when it came to DMR Site Roaming and the programming associated with making this work.

In the NX-5800, I have a system set up for "DMR Site Roaming" under " System Type". Under "Personal Features" > "DMR" > I have my Base ID Type as "Group ID", I have "Active Site Hunt" checked so the radio will find the best site for me, I have "Radio Check" checked, under "Parameters, I have everything at default;
- Number of Retries - 2
- Transmit Busy Wait Time (s) - 10.0
- Maximum ACK Wait Time (s) - 2.0
- Sync Wakeup Wait Time (ms) - 360
- Number of Wakeup Message Retries - 2
- Preamble Length - 16, 960ms
Under "Individual Call Acknowledge Request" > I have "Individual Call Acknowledge Request" checked, and lastly "DMR Message Type" is checked.

Now, moving into the actual Personalities where the frequency information goes, is where I am getting a little confused. Before I get into the details, let me give a little background on the system I am trying to program:

The system was designed as a MotoTrbo DMR Conventional System with IP site connect. There are 3 different repeater sites and all the MotoTrbo radios are programmed to roam to the best site, depending on the location of the specific unit. This is done through the RSSI signal. For this particular system, there are three (3) group ID's programmed.

So, I have all of the sites programmed in, as an individual personality. For example, I have 6 personalities, with their associated names because some of the group ID's go to different color codes. Channels 1 and 2 have different frequencies from Channels 3 and 4, and 5 and 6, as they are at different sites.

So, moving on to How do I make this all work? Do I program each personality with the "Selcall on PTT" to off? When the radio roams to a site, I want to be able to select which group I want to place a call on or talk on for that matter. I guess what I am looking to do is have the radio determine the best site for me to be on, and then I want to select which group I want to transmit on.

Can someone give me a little guidance on this?
I have just recently started playing with DMR Roaming so take it for what it is worth. It would seem the best way would be to make a personality for the first group call, check off active site hunt, add the three repeaters frequency, color code, time slot and set the sel call on ptt to the first group call. Now when you go to zone channel you just add the first channel from this personality and name it whatever the group call is. Now whenever you go to this channel on the radio, it will allow roaming across the three repeaters for only that group call. Now repeat the whole process for each group call.
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I seem to be overlooking something when using the menu based call lists rather than selcall on ptt. I navigate to the correct group call via the menu, key up and the radio shows that group call on the display and gives the proceed tone. However, as soon as I release the ptt the radio goes back to the normal channel, no longer allowing me to listen or talk on that group again unless I go back through the menu.
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I seem to be overlooking something when using the menu based call lists rather than selcall on ptt. I navigate to the correct group call via the menu, key up and the radio shows that group call on the display and gives the proceed tone. However, as soon as I release the ptt the radio goes back to the normal channel, no longer allowing me to listen or talk on that group again unless I go back through the menu.
It's okay and as must be. Program Group call in channel if you need it forever.
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I will look into it. Thanks for the tip.

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It's okay and as must be. Program Group call in channel if you need it forever.


Thats how I typically do it, channel per group call. Just playing around with menu items and other features
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Thats how I typically do it, channel per group call. Just playing around with menu items and other features
But what you expected? That menu keypress will permanently overcome radio settings (set by system admin via FPU)? And other radio user will expect typical behaviour but actually radio will do something esle?
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But what you expected? That menu keypress will permanently overcome radio settings (set by system admin via FPU)? And other radio user will expect typical behaviour but actually radio will do something esle?


Since I'm not really sure what you are asking, I expected a channel with no group call selected to be able to hold a group call, or private call, by selecting the target via the menu once until x amount of inactivity or exiting via menu option.
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Since I'm not really sure what you are asking, I expected a channel with no group call selected to be able to hold a group call, or private call, by selecting the target via the menu once until x amount of inactivity or exiting via menu option.
Mine (I forget at the moment where/how) does this for 300 seconds (max number). Its one of the auto resets.

I program all ham repeaters with a TS 1 and TS 2 channel and group scan on both TS's. Then just select my TG I want and it'll hold it for 300 seconds on the radio. Granted, it'll still pick up all groups due to the group scan if your TG times out through the repeater. Which depending on the repeater owner, 5-10 minutes then the TG times out and goes back to what ever statue the owner has it set.

Works good for me.

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Mine (I forget at the moment where/how) does this for 300 seconds (max number). Its one of the auto resets.



I program all ham repeaters with a TS 1 and TS 2 channel and group scan on both TS's. Then just select my TG I want and it'll hold it for 300 seconds on the radio. Granted, it'll still pick up all groups due to the group scan if your TG times out through the repeater. Which depending on the repeater owner, 5-10 minutes then the TG times out and goes back to what ever statue the owner has it set.



Works good for me.



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Thanks! That worked, knew it was something simple.

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What a cool feature. I know this has been around with Motorola equipment for a while but I've been scratching my head the past week trying to figure this out with the NX5000's series which we use for our Public Safety network. This thread came up through a google search so I figured I'd post my findings in case anyone else is after the same goal as I am. The below is how I have this setup for the DMR-MARC network up here in the North East.

Setup: NX-5700 (VHF) with KCH-21R (Remote HT Head)

So this is how I have it configured in KPG-D1N
Two personal systems configured with my ID. One as 'DMR ROAM TS1' other as 'DMR ROAM TS2' default settings. Today I'm going to try out the 'Active Site Hunt' to see how that works.

I have two Zones configured accordingly one as 'DMR TS1' other as 'DMR TS2''. Every VHF repeater in the area is programmed in with Talk Group Scan selected. The selcal on each channel is Group 9 (local). I've put in all the group ID's I want and changed under the DMR information | Signaling Reset Timer [s] | to 300s (or 5 minutes).

What this does essentially is I switch Zones based on what Timeslot I'm looking for, preprogrammed one of the remote head buttons to pull up a group list. Select the group call I'm looking for then hit the PTT. The radio holds this for 5 minutes or will auto reset when it detects its back on the hook.

I'll post any further findings after I try this out on my trip today. If anyone has any suggestions or questions please post back!

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What a cool feature. I know this has been around with Motorola equipment for a while but I've been scratching my head the past week trying to figure this out with the NX5000's series which we use for our Public Safety network. This thread came up through a google search so I figured I'd post my findings in case anyone else is after the same goal as I am. The below is how I have this setup for the DMR-MARC network up here in the North East.

Setup: NX-5700 (VHF) with KCH-21R (Remote HT Head)

So this is how I have it configured in KPG-D1N
Two personal systems configured with my ID. One as 'DMR ROAM TS1' other as 'DMR ROAM TS2' default settings. Today I'm going to try out the 'Active Site Hunt' to see how that works.

I have two Zones configured accordingly one as 'DMR TS1' other as 'DMR TS2''. Every VHF repeater in the area is programmed in with Talk Group Scan selected. The selcal on each channel is Group 9 (local). I've put in all the group ID's I want and changed under the DMR information | Signaling Reset Timer [s] | to 300s (or 5 minutes).

What this does essentially is I switch Zones based on what Timeslot I'm looking for, preprogrammed one of the remote head buttons to pull up a group list. Select the group call I'm looking for then hit the PTT. The radio holds this for 5 minutes or will auto reset when it detects its back on the hook.

I'll post any further findings after I try this out on my trip today. If anyone has any suggestions or questions please post back!

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Keep us updated on how this works out for you. I have been playing around with how to set up my DMR and I like this idea. Now just need to get site roaming to work...
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What a cool feature. I know this has been around with Motorola equipment for a while but I've been scratching my head the past week trying to figure this out with the NX5000's series which we use for our Public Safety network. This thread came up through a google search so I figured I'd post my findings in case anyone else is after the same goal as I am. The below is how I have this setup for the DMR-MARC network up here in the North East.

Setup: NX-5700 (VHF) with KCH-21R (Remote HT Head)

So this is how I have it configured in KPG-D1N
Two personal systems configured with my ID. One as 'DMR ROAM TS1' other as 'DMR ROAM TS2' default settings. Today I'm going to try out the 'Active Site Hunt' to see how that works.

I have two Zones configured accordingly one as 'DMR TS1' other as 'DMR TS2''. Every VHF repeater in the area is programmed in with Talk Group Scan selected. The selcal on each channel is Group 9 (local). I've put in all the group ID's I want and changed under the DMR information | Signaling Reset Timer [s] | to 300s (or 5 minutes).

What this does essentially is I switch Zones based on what Timeslot I'm looking for, preprogrammed one of the remote head buttons to pull up a group list. Select the group call I'm looking for then hit the PTT. The radio holds this for 5 minutes or will auto reset when it detects its back on the hook.

I'll post any further findings after I try this out on my trip today. If anyone has any suggestions or questions please post back!

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Does this work for you? I've tried extending Signaling Reset Timer out to 5 minutes, but it drops off the group after several seconds. I tried setting Auto Reset Timer [S] to 5 minutes, and it appears to work... However, when scanning it hangs on a DMR channel after they release for the 5 min duration. Kind of defeats scanning.
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Does this work for you? I've tried extending Signaling Reset Timer out to 5 minutes, but it drops off the group after several seconds. I tried setting Auto Reset Timer [S] to 5 minutes, and it appears to work... However, when scanning it hangs on a DMR channel after they release for the 5 min duration. Kind of defeats scanning.
I ran into that issue as well. The best solution I have so far is to set the back button as “clear” to reset the timer and enable on and off hook detection so that when I place the mic back into the holder it resumes group scan. Separating the time slots into two separate zones has also worked well. I keep a laminated cheat sheet for the standard group calls with their perspective time slots in the car in case I forget which time one I should be on.

I’ll keep posting with updates for any changes I make. Let me know if you need more detail regarding those settings.
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