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Default Kenwood Encryption compatible with DES-XL

Is anyone able to tell me if the Kenwood P25 radios are compatible with DES-XL encryption? Looking specifically at the VP-5000/6000 series and the TK-5000 series. A call to Kenwood said "Maybe, maybe not as I am not familiar with the XL". All of the product info I can find mentions the DES or OFB portion, but not the XL specifically.

Currently using APX-6000 and XTL-5000 but these recently became available as well.

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The short answer is it will work with the APX and XTL in DES mode.

1 DES-OFB is the standard, DES-XL was M's way to enhance the ANALOG use of it. Digital is just DES.
2 if your using it in the ham bands, be cautious!
3 if you are using it on part 95 and not ham band, have at it.

Direct from JVC-Kenwood LMR, as I am typing this. (I have good sources)

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No, this is for commercial use.

We already use it in the APX and XTL radios, just no one was able to tell me if the Kenwood/Johnsons would do it.
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I am told it will work with the APX./XTL's.
Dump a code in it and try it, do you have the 5000 and KPG-D1 yet?

*NOTE: I have tested my UHF 5300K6 with an XTS3000 and and APX6000 simplex with
DES (nothing fancy) and works like a charm.

MY DES TEST CODE:
NAME: P25 DES Alpha
KEYID: 13
KEY DATA: 0110203140516170
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1 DES-OFB is the standard, DES-XL was M's way to enhance the ANALOG use of it. Digital is just DES.
Yeah, that's why P25 has what, four algorithm IDs for DES?

81 DES-OFB and 9F DES-XL are not compatible.
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DES-XL is a Motorola variant of the US Gov't DES algorithm.

DVP and DES are self-synchronizing modes of operation, coverage range is slightly degraded due to Rayleigh fading on radio channel.

DVP-XL, DVI-XL, DES-XL use a sync header and periodic sync updates. For operation on fading radio channels, this provides encryption coverage range similar to analog voice coverage.

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Yes, DES will work. County SO uses Motorolas with DES-XL/OFB and our Kenwoods with the DES works fine with it and the KVL.
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