RadioReference on Facebook   RadioReference on Twitter   RadioReference Blog
 

Go Back   The RadioReference.com Forums > Commercial, Professional Radio and Personal Radio > Motorola Forum


Motorola Forum - For general discussion of Motorola land mobile radio equipment and their trunking technologies.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #21 (permalink)  
Old 03-30-2018, 8:16 AM
Member
   
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New York North Carolina and all points in between
Posts: 2,379
Default

I don't see how making a system key with notepad violates any EULA or agreement. If it does then is your mind considered illegal because you can think?

This whole post is a stir the pot kind.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored links
  #22 (permalink)  
Old 03-30-2018, 8:21 AM
Member
   
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 80
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wardaddy View Post
I don't mean to be pedantic, but this isn't true. This is a feature for SUs that monitor multiple systems. In many instances, it is desirable to be able to scan TGs on other systems without affiliating, which can cause many different issues.

Legit radios are programmed scanning from a conventional channel? What issues?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #23 (permalink)  
Old 03-30-2018, 3:56 PM
Member
   
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 75
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gjhamilton View Post
Legit radios are programmed scanning from a conventional channel? What issues?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Doesn't have to be a conventional channel, a scanlist can be strapped to a trunking personality as well.

One agency might want to give another agency the ability to monitor a TG, but affiliation is not desirable because it utilizes additional system resources. This is especially problematic when the first agency utilizes a smaller system and the monitoring agency has 100+ users monitoring.
Reply With Quote
  #24 (permalink)  
Old 03-30-2018, 4:13 PM
Member
   
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 87
Default

It doesn't have to be inter-agency or inter-system.

Even on a radio's native system, you don't want it affiliating with every talkgroup in a scan list, nor do you want it affiliating and un-affiliating each times in moves from one scan list member to the next.

Sorry, gjhamilton - you've got this one wrong.

Quote:
Originally Posted by radioman2001 View Post
I don't see how making a system key with notepad violates any EULA or agreement. If it does then is your mind considered illegal because you can think?

This whole post is a stir the pot kind.
It violates nothing, and it is a stir-the-pot post, started and stickied by a moderator, which I find quite bizarre.

Speaking of moderators? Can a mod please contact me and tell me why I'm on moderation status? Or maybe please remove me from it? I'd PM you, but I can't!
Reply With Quote
  #25 (permalink)  
Old 03-30-2018, 4:28 PM
W8VFD's Avatar
Member
  Audio Feed Provider
Audio Feed Provider
Amateur Radio Operator
Amateur Radio
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Northeastern Ohio
Posts: 188
Default

And it also kills interop between agencies which is why we'll never use it.


Quote:
Originally Posted by com501 View Post
Encryption settles this discussion completely. :^)
__________________
List of scanners & radios that nobody cares about...
My Feed
Andover VFD
Reply With Quote
Sponsored links
  #26 (permalink)  
Old 03-30-2018, 4:47 PM
Member
   
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 75
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Outerdog View Post
It doesn't have to be inter-agency or inter-system.

Even on a radio's native system, you don't want it affiliating with every talkgroup in a scan list, nor do you want it affiliating and un-affiliating each times in moves from one scan list member to the next.
Another excellent point. This comes into play with some fireground accountability software as well.
Reply With Quote
  #27 (permalink)  
Old 03-30-2018, 4:49 PM
Member
   
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 80
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wardaddy View Post
Doesn't have to be a conventional channel, a scanlist can be strapped to a trunking personality as well.



One agency might want to give another agency the ability to monitor a TG, but affiliation is not desirable because it utilizes additional system resources. This is especially problematic when the first agency utilizes a smaller system and the monitoring agency has 100+ users monitoring.


So your saying passive monitoring uses system resources or something?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #28 (permalink)  
Old 03-30-2018, 4:53 PM
Member
   
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 75
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gjhamilton View Post
So your saying passive monitoring uses system resources or something?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
No, I'm saying passive monitoring doesn't use system resources, which is why the feature exists.
Reply With Quote
  #29 (permalink)  
Old 03-30-2018, 4:58 PM
MikeOxlong's Avatar
Forums Manager/Global DB Admin/Commie
  RadioReference Database Admininstrator
Database Admin
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Central Ontario
Posts: 10,217
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Outerdog View Post
Speaking of moderators? Can a mod please contact me and tell me why I'm on moderation status? Or maybe please remove me from it? I'd PM you, but I can't!

You'll need to contact Lindsay to discuss it but considering you were banned from the site under your old username, you might just have to live with it.
__________________
Mike.

Sorry but I don't accept PM's. Please use email instead.
Reply With Quote
  #30 (permalink)  
Old 03-30-2018, 5:01 PM
MikeOxlong's Avatar
Forums Manager/Global DB Admin/Commie
  RadioReference Database Admininstrator
Database Admin
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Central Ontario
Posts: 10,217
Default

Here's an oldie but a goodie:

https://www.rcrwireless.com/19990201...ement-lawsuits
__________________
Mike.

Sorry but I don't accept PM's. Please use email instead.
Reply With Quote
  #31 (permalink)  
Old 06-30-2018, 6:38 PM
Member
   
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Where idiots grow on trees
Posts: 174
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ur20v View Post
I think when Congress eventually gets their collective head out of their *** and consumer "right to repair" (and modify, customize, retrofit, etc.) becomes law, you'll be able to do whatever you want with whatever you legally own as long as it does not violate other laws (ie, interfering with public safety communications, etc.). If they wanted to maintain complete control over their products from cradle to grave, they should have maintained ownership of it and only leased to departments, companies, etc. But that would have cost them more money to have longer warranty and service contracts, recycling programs, lost sales of the latest and greatest. You can look at all these software and programming "gotchas" and traps set by the radio manufacturers as a way of avoiding those responsibilities, but I believe in the end it will bite them in the butt and they will be forced to allow legitimate owners of radios access to tools and software and render some of the legal issues unenforceable.
Are you sniffing glue or something? "Right to repair" doesn't have ANYTHING to do with a manufacturer handing out free software to you. You buy the radio - you buy the CPS to program it. Nothing illegal or shady there. You want to repair your radio? Well guess what - Tuner is installed with the CPS. Problem solved. What you're saying makes zero sense.

Quote:
Originally Posted by wardaddy View Post
I don't mean to be pedantic, but this isn't true. This is a feature for SUs that monitor multiple systems. In many instances, it is desirable to be able to scan TGs on other systems without affiliating, which can cause many different issues.
Who? Where? I work as a tech for a statewide agency that still needs to talk and sometimes listen to smaller systems that haven't been absorbed by the smaller agency. We arrange to get RIDs on the system and program their system for full talk access - for interoperability the one time a year it might be needed. Adding more RIDs to your system doesn't "create problems" to it nor does "monitoring the system". If your Control Channel is THAT jacked up... you have bigger issues.

Quote:
Originally Posted by wardaddy View Post
One agency might want to give another agency the ability to monitor a TG, but affiliation is not desirable because it utilizes additional system resources. This is especially problematic when the first agency utilizes a smaller system and the monitoring agency has 100+ users monitoring.
Again... who? Where? Because that is an absolute inane comment that holds no water towards interoperability, or the "resources" on a system. Again, RIDs don't "drain resources" on a smaller system nor does a radio affiliating to monitor a TG already on that system.

Quote:
Originally Posted by W8VFD View Post
And it also kills interop between agencies which is why we'll never use it.
Your location is listed as Ohio... so you're saying MARCS doesn't have any interoperability? You need someone to go back to the drawing board then. We have ZERO issue with statewide interoperability and encryption... ever. And I am talking about a statewide system the same size as MARCS.


The people commenting on here seem to be the same mouth-breathers that think "Well I have the radio and it works better than a scanner". I am with com501 - I am a vocal proponent to FULL system encryption, and my state will be mostly encrypted by end of 2018. GOODBYE random affiliations from idiots that cannot either program a radio or learn when it's over their head. GOODBYE to the neckbeard whackers thinking they can clog the scene while wearing an ARES vest thinking they contribute something. And after the switch is over and people learn to accept it - GOODBYE to people thinking they have some sort of "right" to monitor public safety traffic.
Reply With Quote
  #32 (permalink)  
Old 06-30-2018, 8:46 PM
Member
   
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 75
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NavyBOFH View Post
Who? Where?
I was just explaining the line of thinking when the feature was developed. Thank you for your service as a tech; having highly qualified techs behind the scenes helps ensure my portable is going to work when I need it to. Those of us on the front lines appreciate all that you do.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:26 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
All information here is Copyright 2012 by RadioReference.com LLC and Lindsay C. Blanton III.Ad Management by RedTyger
Copyright 2015 by RadioReference.com LLC Privacy Policy  |  Terms and Conditions