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Brent,

Can you confirm that Site 6 and Site 11 are truly both reporting neighbors of 4, 5, 6, 17, 22 ? That seems off.

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Brent,

I've updated the sites where needed I'll wait to hear back from you regarding the site neighbors for New Holland. I had already updated it before realizing that one if the neighbors you listed for New Holland is New Holland itself. I'll need a newly confirmed list for the New Holland site when you are able.

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This came out just now..

2017/08/25 14:49:52 141-11 neighbor: Site 141-2 Penn Twp PA
2017/08/25 14:49:52 141-11 neighbor: Site 141-3 Malvern PA
2017/08/25 14:49:52 141-11 neighbor: Site 141-5 Honeybrook PA
2017/08/25 14:49:52 141-11 neighbor: Site 141-15 Reading PA
2017/08/25 14:49:52 141-11 neighbor: Site 141-22 Lancaster PA

2017/08/25 14:49:55 141-6 neighbor: Site 141-2 Penn Twp PA
2017/08/25 14:49:55 141-6 neighbor: Site 141-3 Malvern PA
2017/08/25 14:49:55 141-6 neighbor: Site 141-5 Honeybrook PA
2017/08/25 14:49:55 141-6 neighbor: Site 141-15 Reading PA
2017/08/25 14:49:55 141-6 neighbor: Site 141-22 Lancaster PA

Rawlinsville & New Holland are no longer neighbors I guess....LOL
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This came out just now..

2017/08/25 14:49:52 141-11 neighbor: Site 141-2 Penn Twp PA
2017/08/25 14:49:52 141-11 neighbor: Site 141-3 Malvern PA
2017/08/25 14:49:52 141-11 neighbor: Site 141-5 Honeybrook PA
2017/08/25 14:49:52 141-11 neighbor: Site 141-15 Reading PA
2017/08/25 14:49:52 141-11 neighbor: Site 141-22 Lancaster PA

2017/08/25 14:49:55 141-6 neighbor: Site 141-2 Penn Twp PA
2017/08/25 14:49:55 141-6 neighbor: Site 141-3 Malvern PA
2017/08/25 14:49:55 141-6 neighbor: Site 141-5 Honeybrook PA
2017/08/25 14:49:55 141-6 neighbor: Site 141-15 Reading PA
2017/08/25 14:49:55 141-6 neighbor: Site 141-22 Lancaster PA

Rawlinsville & New Holland are no longer neighbors I guess....LOL
That's an odd listing as well.

How about doing this for each site:

1. Switch to CC for the site
2. Make sure DSDPlus is copying
3. Press "D" to discard current system information
4. Wait for new neighbor list to build

repeat for other site

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Didn't wait long enough.. Site 6 above is correct..

2017/08/25 14:57:01 Current site: 141-11 Rawlinsville PA
2017/08/25 14:57:01 141-11 neighbor: Site 141-4 York PA
2017/08/25 14:57:01 141-11 neighbor: Site 141-5 Honeybrook PA
2017/08/25 14:57:01 141-11 neighbor: Site 141-6 New Holland PA
2017/08/25 14:57:01 141-11 neighbor: Site 141-17 Red Lion PA
2017/08/25 14:57:01 141-11 neighbor: Site 141-22 Lancaster PA
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Didn't wait long enough..

2017/08/25 14:57:01 Current site: 141-11 Rawlinsville PA
2017/08/25 14:57:01 141-11 neighbor: Site 141-4 York PA
2017/08/25 14:57:01 141-11 neighbor: Site 141-5 Honeybrook PA
2017/08/25 14:57:01 141-11 neighbor: Site 141-6 New Holland PA
2017/08/25 14:57:01 141-11 neighbor: Site 141-17 Red Lion PA
2017/08/25 14:57:01 141-11 neighbor: Site 141-22 Lancaster PA
Thank you.

Always a good idea to hit D to discard old system data when you switch to new freq. I learned that the hard way.

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Just double checked.
2017/08/25 14:59:15 141-6 neighbor: Site 141-2 Penn Twp PA
2017/08/25 14:59:15 141-6 neighbor: Site 141-3 Malvern PA
2017/08/25 14:59:15 141-6 neighbor: Site 141-5 Honeybrook PA
2017/08/25 14:59:15 141-6 neighbor: Site 141-15 Reading PA
2017/08/25 14:59:15 141-6 neighbor: Site 141-22 Lancaster PA

No mention of site 11..Oh Well..Is there a limit to how many neighbors a site will show? I bet neighbor #6 would be 11.
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Just double checked.
2017/08/25 14:59:15 141-6 neighbor: Site 141-2 Penn Twp PA
2017/08/25 14:59:15 141-6 neighbor: Site 141-3 Malvern PA
2017/08/25 14:59:15 141-6 neighbor: Site 141-5 Honeybrook PA
2017/08/25 14:59:15 141-6 neighbor: Site 141-15 Reading PA
2017/08/25 14:59:15 141-6 neighbor: Site 141-22 Lancaster PA

No mention of site 11..Oh Well..Is there a limit to how many neighbors a site will show? I bet neighbor #6 would be 11.
Yes, it's limited to 5, just based upon the fact that I've monitored countless CON+ sytems and sites over the past few years and have never once seen a site provide more than 5 neighbors.

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While spending time up in Lycoming County this week, I was able to monitor the Williamsport site for a bit. Control channel was the same every time I was able to monitor. The only voice traffic encountered was on the 452.100 frequency already in the database. None of the other frequencies licensed for the site ever had any traffic.

I also never heard anything on any of the licensed Renovo frequencies.

I was able to pick up the Williamsport site as far north as Wellsboro and also monitored traffic while mobile between Hyner and Lock Haven.

Talkgroups noted on the Williamsport site included:

2365 - unknown
3840 - unknown
4204 - paratransit service? mention of Enola addresses and Cumberland Valley HS today
4205 - paratransit service? mention of Mifflinburg, Geisinger, and other central PA locations
4412 - unknown - pos.. truck repair service?
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42xx / 44xx are Rabbit Transit TG
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2 More NL's

2017/08/26 16:31:58 Current site: 141-2 Penn Twp PA
2017/08/26 16:31:59 141-2 neighbor: Site 141-1 Harrisburg N PA
2017/08/26 16:31:59 141-2 neighbor: Site 141-6 New Holland PA
2017/08/26 16:31:59 141-2 neighbor: Site 141-7 New Cumberland PA
2017/08/26 16:31:59 141-2 neighbor: Site 141-10 Summit Station PA
2017/08/26 16:31:59 141-2 neighbor: Site 141-22 Lancaster PA

2017/08/26 16:52:42 Current site: 141-10 Summit Station PA
2017/08/26 16:52:42 141-10 neighbor: Site 141-1 Harrisburg N PA
2017/08/26 16:52:42 141-10 neighbor: Site 141-2 Penn Twp PA
2017/08/26 16:52:42 141-10 neighbor: Site 141-15 Reading PA
2017/08/26 16:52:42 141-10 neighbor: Site 141-45 Boyertown PA
2017/08/26 16:52:42 141-10 neighbor: Site 141-46 Ashland PA
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Major Update Site 3 Malvern

LCN 1 = 502.8625 CC DCC 3
(Not what is posted to RRDB, must have changed, been wondering why it was silent)

2017/08/26 16:58:28 Current site: 141-3 Malvern PA
2017/08/26 16:58:28 141-3 neighbor: Site 141-5 Honeybrook PA
2017/08/26 16:58:28 141-3 neighbor: Site 141-14 Concordville PA
2017/08/26 16:58:28 141-3 neighbor: Site 141-16 Allentown PA
2017/08/26 16:58:28 141-3 neighbor: Site 141-18 Philadelphia PA
2017/08/26 16:58:28 141-3 neighbor: Site 141-45 Boyertown PA
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2017/08/26 18:03:46 Current site: 141-1 Harrisburg N PA
2017/08/26 18:03:47 141-1 neighbor: Site 141-2 Penn Twp PA
2017/08/26 18:03:47 141-1 neighbor: Site 141-7 New Cumberland PA
2017/08/26 18:03:47 141-1 neighbor: Site 141-9 Shippensburg PA
2017/08/26 18:03:47 141-1 neighbor: Site 141-10 Summit Station PA
2017/08/26 18:03:47 141-1 neighbor: Site 141-23 Newport PA

2017/08/26 17:46:47 Current site: 141-4 York PA
2017/08/26 17:46:47 141-4 neighbor: Site 141-7 New Cumberland PA
2017/08/26 17:46:47 141-4 neighbor: Site 141-8 Hanover PA
2017/08/26 17:46:47 141-4 neighbor: Site 141-11 Rawlinsville PA
2017/08/26 17:46:47 141-4 neighbor: Site 141-17 Red Lion PA

2017/08/26 18:27:43 Current site: 141-7 New Cumberland PA
2017/08/26 18:27:43 141-7 neighbor: Site 141-1 Harrisburg N PA
2017/08/26 18:27:43 141-7 neighbor: Site 141-2 Penn Twp PA
2017/08/26 18:27:43 141-7 neighbor: Site 141-4 York PA
2017/08/26 18:27:43 141-7 neighbor: Site 141-8 Hanover PA
2017/08/26 18:27:43 141-7 neighbor: Site 141-9 Shippensburg PA
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2017/08/26 18:37:19 Current site: 141-15 Reading PA
2017/08/26 18:37:19 141-15 neighbor: Site 141-2 Penn Twp PA
2017/08/26 18:37:19 141-15 neighbor: Site 141-6 New Holland PA
2017/08/26 18:37:19 141-15 neighbor: Site 141-10 Summit Station PA
2017/08/26 18:37:19 141-15 neighbor: Site 141-16 Allentown PA
2017/08/26 18:37:19 141-15 neighbor: Site 141-45 Boyertown PA
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New Site 51 Confirmed, Location could be Dover DE

LCN 1 = 454.26875 CC DCC 14

2017/08/26 19:35:22 Current site: 141-51 Unknown DE?
2017/08/26 19:35:22 141-51 neighbor: Site 141-49 Egg Harbor City NJ
2017/08/26 19:35:22 141-51 neighbor: Site 141-50 Unknown
2017/08/26 19:35:22 141-51 neighbor: Site 141-52 Dagsboro DE
2017/08/26 19:35:22 141-51 neighbor: Site 141-53 Salisbury MD
2017/08/26 19:35:22 141-51 neighbor: Site 141-54 Church Hill MD

So 50 is in S Jersey maybe at this location:
Centerton/Cumberland NJ WNSZ898
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New Site 51 Confirmed, Location could be Dover DE

LCN 1 = 454.26875 CC DCC 14

2017/08/26 19:35:22 Current site: 141-51 Unknown DE?
2017/08/26 19:35:22 141-51 neighbor: Site 141-49 Egg Harbor City NJ
2017/08/26 19:35:22 141-51 neighbor: Site 141-50 Unknown
2017/08/26 19:35:22 141-51 neighbor: Site 141-52 Dagsboro DE
2017/08/26 19:35:22 141-51 neighbor: Site 141-53 Salisbury MD
2017/08/26 19:35:22 141-51 neighbor: Site 141-54 Church Hill MD

So 50 is in S Jersey maybe at this location:
Centerton/Cumberland NJ WNSZ898
Thanks for all of the updates. I've updated site neighbors where necessary. I renamed a couple. Will likely rename a few more and will also go through and make sure geodata is correct as well as "Site Location" will state the location on the FCC license.

As for Site 51 / 50, I'm going to site on this while I gather more information about potential sites in DE/NJ/MD. I never bother to search those states for Triangle / Centre / Greens / etc licenses. Hopefully I'll find more sites in FCC data to add to the map, which will help us to look around Site 51 with a new perspective.

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New Site 51 Confirmed, Location could be Dover DE

LCN 1 = 454.26875 CC DCC 14

2017/08/26 19:35:22 Current site: 141-51 Unknown DE?
2017/08/26 19:35:22 141-51 neighbor: Site 141-49 Egg Harbor City NJ
2017/08/26 19:35:22 141-51 neighbor: Site 141-50 Unknown
2017/08/26 19:35:22 141-51 neighbor: Site 141-52 Dagsboro DE
2017/08/26 19:35:22 141-51 neighbor: Site 141-53 Salisbury MD
2017/08/26 19:35:22 141-51 neighbor: Site 141-54 Church Hill MD

So 50 is in S Jersey maybe at this location:
Centerton/Cumberland NJ WNSZ898
WNSZ898 is an 800+ mhz license. Can't rule it out, but that would be unconventional (since nobody could roam to that site with a 450 mhz radio and vice versa).

Of course, we can forget about licenses. Right now the only freqs we know for those sites are 454 paging freqs. Could easily have only a site up with 454 mhz freqs right now at any location.


You would think that site licenses would be owned by "Partners" in this list. But conceivably they might be owned by one of the VARs (like Redi-Call, who has some trunked licenses).

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Thanks Mike!

What a ride..
You can sit on it if you'd like

I'm penciling it into my db..
That's just where I'd put my money right now!

(MAD 50) Centerton/Cumberland Co NJ
(MAD 51) Dover-Milford Area/Kent Co DE

Time will tell. It was fun driving around..
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Thanks Mike!

What a ride..
You can sit on it if you'd like

I'm penciling it into my db..
That's just where I'd put my money right now!

(MAD 50) Centerton/Cumberland Co NJ
(MAD 51) Dover-Milford Area/Kent Co DE

Time will tell. It was fun driving around..
A site in Dover DE definitely makes sense. Looking at their coverage map (without a Dover location), it sure looks like that might be an area that needs coverage. And, if site 51 were Dover area, it would make sense that all of its neighbors were in the 49-54 range [and not something like Concordville or Phila).

The Church Hill Triangle license is actually an existing Redi-Call site location. So I might lean toward Site 50/51 being either an existing Redi-Call site location or one of the other VARs, but probably Redi-Call. I would hate to clutter the map with more non-essential detail than I already have, but i think I'll plot out potential Redi-Call locations with a different indicator/color on the map.

Glad you enjoyed your drive. Was a beautiful day for it.

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The Salisbury MD (Wicomico), Roxana DE (Sussex) and Church Hill MD (Queen Anne's) Triangle licenses are all located at corresponding Redi-Call Communications sites.

I think you are on to something, Brent. I have updated the map to include the REdi-Call sites I could find. I only documented Redi-Call sites with existing trunked licenses (not conventional). They are denoted on the map with a black dot. You'll see that three of the Triangle licenses are at three of those Redi-Call locations.

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