Cortland County P25 System

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GTR8000

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Cortland County has the following seven frequencies licensed for use with their upcoming P25 system:

454.050 - (WPZN380 - Saia Communications)
454.075 - (WPWK680 - JPJ Electronic Communications)
454.225 - (WPWK686 - JPJ Electronic Communications)
454.275 - (WPWK688 - JPJ Electronic Communications)
454.400 - (WPWK690 - JPJ Electronic Communications)
454.500 - (WPWK693 - JPJ Electronic Communications)
454.625 - (WPVW655 - Saia Communications)

You won't find any standard YW Public Safety Pool Trunked licenses for these frequencies, they are all licensed under CP Part 22 VHF/UHF Paging to other entities as noted above.

It's not clear yet whether this system will be part of the CNYICC system, or will be independent, possibly with an ISSI connection to the CNYICC system to allow for roaming between the two systems.

If those of you in the area could keep an ear on those frequencies for activity, that would be great. I'm not going to create anything in the database until we know something is on the air, and can determine whether or not it's part of the CNYICC system.

Thanks!
 

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JPJ isn't a Moto shop. Saia is a Moto shop. CNYICC is a Moto system. I would be interested to see what JPJ's solution for Cortland is. I hope it is not what Rome, NY has (NexEDGE).
 

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JPJ isn't a Moto shop. Saia is a Moto shop. CNYICC is a Moto system. I would be interested to see what JPJ's solution for Cortland is. I hope it is not what Rome, NY has (NexEDGE).

The only involvement of Saia and JPJ is that they assigned the use of their frequencies to Cortland County. It is a Motorola system.

https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsEntry/...tachmentKey=18922647&attachmentInd=applAttach


https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsEntry/...tachmentKey=18809148&attachmentInd=applAttach
 
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Most of the NYSEG VHF P25 system is built on reallocated Part 22 frequencies. Interesting to see the same sort of activity on UHF. Maybe high-powered wideband spectrum blaster paging transmitters will finally become extinct some day soon.
 

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I should probably point out that the frequencies I listed were the center frequencies within a block. It is possible that they might use the lower or upper frequencies instead of the centers, so let me list all of the possibilities just in case.

Basically, if you run a search from 454.0375 through 454.6375, that would cover all possibilities.

454.0375
454.04375
454.050
454.05625
454.0625

454.0625
454.06875
454.075
454.08125
454.0875

454.2125
454.21875
454.225
454.23125
454.2375

454.2625
454.26875
454.275
454.28125
454.2875

454.3875
454.39375
454.400
454.40625
454.4125

454.4875
454.49375
454.500
454.50625
454.5125

454.6125
454.61875
454.625
454.63125
454.6375
 

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I should probably point out that the frequencies I listed were the center frequencies within a block. It is possible that they might use the lower or upper frequencies instead of the centers, so let me list all of the possibilities just in case.

Ok, I reprogrammed a scanner with all of those frequencies.
(Programmed as type 'ALL')
Programmed as in the attached file. (GQK 4 - It's viewable in any text editor. Wordpad etc.)
I maintain 'most' of my systems in .usd format and then import them into FreeSCAN for the XT scanners.

Rich

No hits on the others overnight.
 
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The FCC granted Cortland a narrow banding waiver for their VHF systems that expires on June 1 based on the assurance they would move to the trunked system by that date.

I saw some info that the system would possibly be in operation by April so there should be some activity soon.
 

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Ok, I reprogrammed a scanner with all of those frequencies.
(Programmed as type 'ALL')
Programmed as in the attached file. (GQK 4 - It's viewable in any text editor. Wordpad etc.)
I maintain 'most' of my systems in .usd format and then import them into FreeSCAN for the XT scanners.

Rich

No hits on the others overnight.

You're a good man, Rich, thanks!

Just note that it's pretty unlikely that they will operate on the off-center frequencies, in particular the extreme lowers and uppers, as those are the limits of the license block. Doesn't hurt to check them out, though.
 

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Just to verify, I ran a 'dup checker' on that file and I see 454.0625 listed twice.
Should there be an additional frequency added?
A duplicate in the file won't make any difference but I don't want to overlook a frequency.

454.0375
454.04375
454.050
454.05625
454.0625 <-----

454.0625 <-----
454.06875
454.075
454.08125
454.0875
 
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No, it just happens to be the upper limit of the 454.050 block, and the lower limit of the 454.075 block, so I listed them separately which resulted in 454.0625 being duplicated.

Again, as I stated in my last post, it's very unlikely they will operate on any of those lower or upper limits. It would be illegal to operate on them, actually. I listed them only in case they decide to get silly with the system programming.

They will almost certainly operate on the center frequencies (those listed in my first post and highlighted in bold in post #6).
 
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You're right. I did the stepwise calculation and got the correct results. sheesh
 

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Not much happening there over the last 24 hours.
Very short 'tics' on several frequencies around 1:00 pm yesterday and then short, dead carriers about an hour later.
I'll let it continue to log for the next week or so.

Rich

Event# - Date - Time - Duration - S-Meter - System - Group - Freq

C:\Scratch3\R1-ScanRec3_Cortland_20130416-120000-015.log
000158, 2013/04/16, 12:56:07.467, 000000.670, 304, 82 Cortland Co.., Cortland P25 4, 454.0750
000159, 2013/04/16, 12:56:19.260, 000000.670, 291, 82 Cortland Co.., Cortland P25 4, 454.0562
000160, 2013/04/16, 12:56:22.537, 000000.670, 201, 82 Cortland Co.., Cortland P25 4, 454.2875
000161, 2013/04/16, 12:56:25.478, 000000.543, 217, 82 Cortland Co.., Cortland P25 4, 454.2875
000162, 2013/04/16, 12:56:31.514, 000000.669, 177, 82 Cortland Co.., Cortland P25 4, 454.4000
000163, 2013/04/16, 12:56:36.644, 000000.672, 218, 82 Cortland Co.., Cortland P25 4, 454.5125
000164, 2013/04/16, 12:56:41.515, 000000.675, 103, 82 Cortland Co.., Cortland P25 4, 454.5000
000165, 2013/04/16, 12:56:44.207, 000000.670, 181, 82 Cortland Co.., Cortland P25 4, 454.6250

C:\Scratch3\R1-ScanRec3_Cortland_20130416-130000-016.log
000054, 2013/04/16, 13:30:52.204, 000001.755, 297, 82 Cortland Co.., Cortland P25 4, 454.2312
000055, 2013/04/16, 13:30:55.579, 000001.008, 98, 82 Cortland Co.., Cortland P25 4, 454.2625
 

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Rich, don't kill yourself. Maybe just run a check of the frequencies once a day or whatever. If there's a control channel on the air, you won't miss it if you're close enough to receive it.
 

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Rich, don't kill yourself. Maybe just run a check of the frequencies once a day or whatever. If there's a control channel on the air, you won't miss it if you're close enough to receive it.

I don't mind doing it.

I have 40 Uniden scanners here that have to do 'something'. ;)

I'm always looking for something to check out.
I typically have 8-10 scanners logging continuously.

Rich
 

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There may not be any activity on them for some time to come, maybe even months, depending on when they actually build the system out. Some of these systems sound fantastic on paper, including all these optimistic build out and operational dates...only for the reality to be that they take years to build out or wind up dying a slow death. Time will tell.
 
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