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Old 04-10-2018, 10:56 AM
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It won't happen without another major investment from the County to finish to buildout to the remaining parts of the County. I am not sure they can even licence all of the existing trunked frequencies on the other County towers. You are looking at another $6Mil+ just in infrastructure and another $2Mil in subscribers. If the simulcast has to be re-engineered and frequencies changed, add another $1Mil.
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Old 04-18-2018, 12:44 PM
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Thumbs up unidentified Talk Groups.

New unidentified Talk Groups.

TG 65039

TG 65022

TG 65169

Can you help me find out what talk groups these are.

Thank you.
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Old 04-19-2018, 7:19 AM
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Utica Fire Department TG 65074 is

bi-directionally Simulcast patched on

analog 453.0250 WQLM608 RM 162.2 PL .
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Old 04-20-2018, 11:50 AM
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The TG patched to the UHF channel is the station alert. The UHF is used for the station house receiver/in-house speaker system.

All the talkgroups are grouped into block by agency. The the CNYICC does their talkgroups in decimal blocks not Hex blocks. If you know where it fits in the exisiting series that should help you identify usage. Also please indicate if it is encrypted or not. Only PD and emergency services have encryption capabilities.
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Old 04-20-2018, 1:16 PM
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The TG patched to the UHF channel is the station alert. The UHF is used for the station house receiver/in-house speaker system.

All the talkgroups are grouped into block by agency. The the CNYICC does their talkgroups in decimal blocks not Hex blocks. If you know where it fits in the exisiting series that should help you identify usage. Also please indicate if it is encrypted or not. Only PD and emergency services have encryption capabilities.

TG 65022 encryption full time (May be Oneida County Law Enforcement)

TG 65039 open

TG 65064 encryption full time (May be Rome Police)

TG 65169 encryption full time
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I see in the database that the Oneida County Fire Control Talkgroup (TG 65040) is listed as being bi-directionally patched to the fire control conventional frequency (154.3700).
Iíve been monitoring fire control on the system today and as far I can tell Iím only hearing dispatch and no units in the field. If I monitor the conventional frequency I hear both dispatch and field units.
If this is the case than this means itís not a bi-directional patch.
Anyone else notice this or have any additional insight?
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I see in the database that the Oneida County Fire Control Talkgroup (TG 65040) is listed as being bi-directionally patched to the fire control conventional frequency (154.3700).
Iíve been monitoring fire control on the system today and as far I can tell Iím only hearing dispatch and no units in the field. If I monitor the conventional frequency I hear both dispatch and field units.
If this is the case than this means itís not a bi-directional patch.
Anyone else notice this or have any additional insight?
YES it is bi-directionally patched I here both mobile and Dispatch talking on TG 65040. Check you scanner!! It may not be setup right!!
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Old 05-13-2018, 7:54 AM
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It won't happen without another major investment from the County to finish to buildout to the remaining parts of the County. I am not sure they can even licence all of the existing trunked frequencies on the other County towers. You are looking at another $6Mil+ just in infrastructure and another $2Mil in subscribers. If the simulcast has to be re-engineered and frequencies changed, add another $1Mil.
There is currently a "Pending" FCC license for tower sites in Kirkland, Steuben, Florence, and Bridgewater
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YES it is bi-directionally patched I here both mobile and Dispatch talking on TG 65040. Check you scanner!! It may not be setup right!!
Thanks for the info. I no longer live in the area so I only get the change to monitor the new system when Iím in town. Iíll have to do some more listening next time Iím in Oneida Co.
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simulcast overlap

Anyone having simulcast overlap problems you can test this and see if it improves your signal.

Add 151.0175 151.02375 151.0875 151.3575 151.3775 154.2575 159.2175 159.2475

See if this helps at all. I can receive the new trunking system 100%. No data errors.
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Where are you located? I'm in Lee and can't receive it.
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simulcast overlap

Anyone having simulcast overlap problems you can test this and see if it improves your signal.

Add 151.0175 151.02375 151.0875 151.3575 151.3775 154.2575 159.2175 159.2475

See if this helps at all. I can receive the new trunking system 100%. No data errors.

Are these in addition to the other frequencies?
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Post Only a test add to the other frequencies

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Are these in addition to the other frequencies?

Yes add to the other frequencies. Only a test to see if you get better receive ..
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simulcast overlap

Anyone having simulcast overlap problems you can test this and see if it improves your signal.

Add 151.0175 151.02375 151.0875 151.3575 151.3775 154.2575 159.2175 159.2475

See if this helps at all. I can receive the new trunking system 100%. No data errors.
control channel 151.010 Please add 151.0125 151.0075 151.015 151.0175 yo test the simulcast overlap problems .. I have added these channels and getting very good results. I not sure why?
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There is currently a "Pending" FCC license for tower sites in Kirkland, Steuben, Florence, and Bridgewater
Do you have a link to the FCC data base. Thank you.
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Do you have a link to the FCC data base. Thank you.
ULS Application - Public Safety Pool, Trunked - 0008188962 - ONEIDA, COUNTY OF
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15 Watts in Florence, 20W on Star Hill! How many more towers will they need to fill out the coverage?

The mobile operating area cuts out around Rt. 5. I guess they didn't want to license the southern part of the county on this filing.

I will be interested to see what Canada says on this one, though in all fairness, Reinhart should have a pretty good idea of Canadian incumbents. I would expect they have reasonably compensated. The RFI antenna is a typical manufacturer Motorola uses, so this has been engineered to some extent by /\/\

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Thanks Len for the link. I wonder if there is any money allocated in the budget for these additional locations? Using existing towers (like the one in Florence) should save some dollars.
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You are somewhere in the neighborhood of $200K per site and that is just for the GTR8000 stack and antenna system installed. Might be lower if certain components do not need to have software changes. Rough number are $30,000 per channel for TDMA.

I am not really sure what is planned to be accomplished with power levels so low. 15W in a simulcast configuration is not a whole lot. It really can play havoc with the TDI numbers. They also went full height on the transmit antennas. That is some interesting engineering data. One of these days I will be bored enough to model the system, but way too much on my plate this week.
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Oneida County Law Enforcement Talkgroups

Sheriff talkgroup is bi-directionally patched with the 155.010 Sheriff conventional channel

65036 T Sheriff OPS (Operations)(patch)
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