NY PENN

[coolrich55]

With all the different LE agencies patrolling there, I think I saw 5, you'd think there would be one common channel they could use when you know what hits the fan.

 

[ka3aaa]

there is.

 

[Darkstar350]

This has been covered on another thread https://forums.radioreference.com/n...ion-interop-frequency-among-all-agencies.html

But the short answer is - if there is a common/interop channel used at Penn then it is not written in stone and one would have to be in the area with a close call scanner during "one of those events"
Best thing to do is program all of the NY citywide and state wide interop freqs as well as the nation wide public safety "VTac/UTac" channels in a scanner and have close call running while in the vicinity...
https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?aid=7742
https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?aid=1103
https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?ctid=1855#cid-22640

 

[coolrich55]

there is.

Yeah I figured there must be.

 

[Analogrules]

Just Submitted An Addition to NY Railroads Page

I was at Penn Station yesterday and confirmed hearing MTA Police on 160.320. The db is correct under the MTA page, however on the state Railroads page, it has 161.490 as MTA police at Penn. I am not sure if this is a ch.2 or an input frequency, but I heard nothing on 161.490. All MTA police at NY Penn were on 160.320 while I was there yesterday. I submitted it to the db to update the Railroads page, but left 161.490 alone for now since I cannot confirm or deny it ever being used anymore.

 

[Analogrules]

Update: one of the admins rejected the submission because it is already listed on the MTA page. Therefore, under this admin's logic (GTR800), one frequency for MTA PD can go under the Railroads page, but NOT the main frequency used, because it is already on the MTA page. How much sense does this make?

 

[Darkstar350]

I think the MTA agency page should include info on all of the services they cover be it train , bus, maintenance - being that the MTA actually subsidizes Metro North, LIRR, as well as NYC Transit Authority but i suppose that would be duplicating...

 

[Analogrules]

The mta page is up to date, but RR page does not include the main freq that MTA uses at Penn and the admins have refused to add it.

 

[Darkstar350]

Point is the MTA is a parent company - its not exclusively bus, or trains or one or the other so it may be more helpful to list frequencies for all of the MTA subsidiaries on the MTA agency page itself but again that could be considered a waste of time to do so being it would duplicate data that is already on the railroads page and whatnot
Also just a reminder that the NYC subway freqs are not listed in the railroads they are listed under NYC services but im not sure if a technicality in the database does not consider a subway system a true "rail road" or not...

 

[Analogrules]

I agree Darkstar. I understand they don't want dup listings, but at the same time, it can be difficult to locate what you may be looking for. I believe the PATH train frequencies are located on both the NJ and NY pages. However in all fairness, they operate in both states so I don't mind the duplicate listing as long as the info is correct and matches on both pages.

I am still wondering if 161.490 is also still used, or was just a misprint in the db?

 

[Darkstar350]

I dont have anything written down for that freq in particular but it still is active
ULS License - Industrial/Business Pool, Conventional License - WQAR954 - MTA-Long Island Railroad

Seems to be one of the various MTA mobile freqs - and thats another thing - MTA uses a few mobile frequencys area wide which are not nessesarily specific to rail, or whatever else
For instance - 160.395 160.560 160.620 160.725 160.785 161.385 as well as 161.535 are all valid mobile freqs used by the MTA
160.620 160.725 and 160.785 are usually used by signal/ track workers but ive seen some of those listed as being used by public safety at Penn and whatnot at times
Whereas i have logged 161.385 and 161.535 being used by conductors and other MTA workers as just general mobile to mobile freqs
So on the MTA agency page it may be helpful if they add a section of freqs just listed as "Area wide" or "system wide"
I understand that in the Railroads section of the RRDB somewhat of a "railfan" jargon is used where channels are listed as simply "road" or "dispatcher" not being specific as to what station , etc the frequency is actually being used and thats fine so the point being is that it wouldnt be exactly "duplicate" info in regards to the MTA because thats where we could be more descriptive in the usage of freqs and whatnot
Im just brainstorming and giving some constructive critisism here nothing negative just trying to help make the database more accessible to the different hobbyists
But the MTA is a somewhat unusual situation being that they are a parent company of various transit services- whereas alot of the time a railroad company is just that nothing more nothing less so i suppose this may cause some confusion in something like a frequency database..

 

[Darkstar350]

duplicate post?

 

[KC2zZe]

My notes show:

161.4900 is the input to 160.3200R (151.4).
160.5600 (123.0) is the MTA Police's Northern Region car-to-car channel "N2."
160.6200 is the LIRR' s Montauk Branch channel.
160.7250 (151.4) is LIRR's MoW 2, 160.7850 (151.4) MoW 3, 161.3850 (csq) being MoW 1, and 161.5350 (151.4) "TR4" being their Crew channel (also used at the Babylon Yard)

 

[Darkstar350]

My notes show:

161.4900 is the input to 160.3200R (151.4).
160.5600 (123.0) is the MTA Police's Northern Region car-to-car channel "N2."
160.6200 is the LIRR' s Montauk Branch channel.
160.7250 (151.4) is LIRR's MoW 2, 160.7850 (151.4) MoW 3, 161.3850 (csq) being MoW 1, and 161.5350 (151.4) "TR4" being their Crew channel (also used at the Babylon Yard)

I also have seen 160.620 being listed as the "Montauk Branch" which i dont get why someone posted it as that because trains on the montauk branch use the main channel(160.380) like most of the trains do unless they need to talk to Divide tower which is 161.265 or Jamaica movement bureau 161.445
One thing i can say is 160.620 does seem to have most "sites" listed in suffolk county but i have never heard it being used in a train dispatching capacity i have only heard it being used as a mobile freq so maybe once upon a time it was the designated frequency for the montauk branch...
161.385 is rarely used but the times i did get hits it was being used with no tone

ULS License - Industrial/Business Pool, Conventional License - WNFF830 - MTA-Long Island Rail Road
ULS License - Industrial/Business Pool, Conventional License - KJ3767 - MTA-Long Island Railroad

So by taking a look at the locations on those licenses it is apparent that basically any freq the MTA uses is authorized for mobile use thru the entire area which is not uncommon for agencies who use a full simplex system
Another thing to remember is railroads can use basically any rail band frequency they want to as long as they have at least one valid FCC license but they dont have to be licensed for a specific rail freq- from what i gather...

 

[KC2zZe]

I also have seen 160.620 being listed as the "Montauk Branch" which i dont get why someone posted it as that because trains on the montauk branch use the main channel(160.380) like most of the trains do...

Notes updated; thank you.

 

[mastrIII]

This is all confirmed and accurate info, I only posted what you need for a scanner; if there is no pl listed program it csq. I really don't see why anyone would need repeater inputs seems to just confuse people.

MTA Police Channels
N1 - 161.2200 - "MNR" North Region Dispatch
N2 - 160.5600 - "MNR" North Region Car-Car
E1 - 160.4550 - "LIRR" East Region Dispatch
E2 - 160.6050 - "LIRR" East Region Car-Car
PENN - 160.3200 114.8PL - Penn Station Repeater

MTA Polce Metro 25 Talk Groups
https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?sid=7687
603 CItywide
604 District 2 Dispatch - Nassau County Units
6021 District 9 Dispatch - Staten Island Units
6022 District 9 Car-Car - Staten Island Units
6024 District 5 Dispatch - Grand Central Units outside Grand Central Term. and 125th St Units
6025 District 4 Dispatch - Penn Station Units outside Penn Station
6026 District 3 Dispatch - Queens Units
6027 District 6 Dispatch - Westchester/Bronx Units

LIRR Channels
TR-1 - 160.3800 - Blocks/Interlockings west of Divide and Montauk Branch
TR-2 - 161.4450 - Movement Bureau 204 Dispatcher
TR-3 - 161.2650 - Blocks/Interlockings east of Divide and Port Jeff & Main line Yard Ops
TR-4 - 161.5350 - Car Insp. & Babylon Yard
MW-1 - 161.3850 - Signals & Comm, Power
MW-2 - 160.7250 - B&B, Structures, Track
MW-3 - 160.7850 - Maintenance, Track to Truck
CC - 160.7850 - Penn Station Crowd Control ( used by MTAPD as well )
SP-1 - 160.3950 - Special Freq 1
SP-2 - 160.6200 - Special Freq 2
*the SP channels are just b.s. talk around channels used by maintenance personnel etc.

 

[Nawton]

mastrIII Some questions/comments re your post.
1. Shouldn't TR-3 be listed as "from Divide east" rather than " east of Divide" since it includes Divide?
2. For MW-3 did you mean "track to truck" or "truck to truck"?
3. Your listing for District 2 units on Metro 25 (604) differs from the db listing (6030). Are you certain of that tg?

Otherwise, thanks for the clear and thorough list!

 

[mastrIII]

mastrIII Some questions/comments re your post.
1. Shouldn't TR-3 be listed as "from Divide east" rather than " east of Divide" since it includes Divide?
2. For MW-3 did you mean "track to truck" or "truck to truck"?
3. Your listing for District 2 units on Metro 25 (604) differs from the db listing (6030). Are you certain of that tg?

Otherwise, thanks for the clear and thorough list!

1. From Divide East
2. Truck to Truck
3. yes the DB is wrong

Sorry for the wording/typos

 

[Analogrules]

Just Close Called 160.650 MHz PL 192.8 at NY Penn

I just close called 160.650 PL 192.8 at NY Penn, downstairs level around track 9-10 waiting area, multiple times. I do not see it listed on RR at all. Any ideas? I didnt get enough transmissions to figure out who it was, or if it was PD or train ops. For you regular commuters, I suggest plugging it in and maybe we can figure out what agency it is.

 

[mastrIII]

I just close called 160.650 PL 192.8 at NY Penn, downstairs level around track 9-10 waiting area, multiple times. I do not see it listed on RR at all. Any ideas? I didnt get enough transmissions to figure out who it was, or if it was PD or train ops. For you regular commuters, I suggest plugging it in and maybe we can figure out what agency it is.

That's Amtrak Station Services used by the Red Caps, Ushers, and other customer service personnel.