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Well there are people in the viper ranks that assign a county a set if tgids and rids
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Talkgroups are assigned to agencies by people in the "VIPER ranks," but it is up to scanner listeners to add talkgroups that they hear to the DB.

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Thanks guys, that clears it up.

Guess we're not on the priority list of people to e-mail when new ones are assigned. I'll keep monitoring 46035 and I'd love to hear anybody else that picks it up.
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Talk id # 52656 give out weather for Dist. #3 off the TWC Tower,???
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Listen to this arou d 730-8 tomorrow morning and get a recording on it. I'm thinking it could be a forestry channel for fire reports to base
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Talkgroups are assigned to agencies by people in the "VIPER ranks," but it is up to scanner listeners to add talkgroups that they hear to the DB.

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Each system is unique but since we are talking about VIPER Talkgroups & Radio IDs are assigned via a Statewide Numbering Range like this :
Each of NC's 100 Counties gets a range of Talkgroup IDs and a range of Radio IDs to use on VIPER.
Example: Durham County has the following ranges:
Talkgroup IDs= 16500-16999.
Radio IDs=630,000-649,999.
Within reason the state does not care how you label the Talkgroups/Radio IDs as long as you inform them via a submission form that the TGID and RID need to be turned on the system.
More localized radio systems are encouraged to set their own Talkgroup/Radio IDs up to match up with the statewide plan above thereby making Talkgroup/Radio ID management easier. I used to have 7 different Radio IDs in my one radio but thanks to everyone around here using the statewide numbering plan I now only have 2 IDs: One ID works on all 3 local radio systems: Durham, VIPER, Cary and the other ID works on the Wake County Radio System.
Basically the state is putting Talkgroup and Radio ID management in the hands of the local users that know best how those talkgroups and RIDs need to be used.
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And while I am sure there is a mythical master TGID List somewhere the truth is that so many talkgroups and RIDs are being turned on and labeled each day that keeping track of every talkgroup that becomes active is difficult. This is where RR needs YOU the monitoring enthusiast to help keep the database current. Use that big submission button at the top of the page and submit verified, accurate info so that the database can stay up to date and accurate!
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Thanks for clearing that up, Marshall!

And it would be great to have access to a master TGID list.

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Guess we're not on the priority list of people to e-mail when new ones are assigned.
That would be nice to have, also.

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Oh come on. Doesn't anyone miss the thrill of the figuring this stuff out?
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That would be nice to have, also.

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The thing is (right or wrong) a local county may consider TG and RID info kind of confidential. Yes you can usually monitor the radio traffic but not everyone wants to publicize to the world that their "XX County Narcotics" Talkgroup is on the air for obvious reasons.
To sum up: don't expect the next edition of "VIPER Newsletter" to contain a TGID List.
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Oh come on. Doesn't anyone miss the thrill of the figuring this stuff out?
That is the other part of it....you youngin's don't remember a time when we had to map out the TGs ID by ID without any Unitrunker, Pro96Com, etc. We had to travel up hill both ways to the nearest VIPER site with a BC780XLT/BC245XLT/Pro96 and listen for hours to map out users...none of this already figured out stuff.

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Each system is unique but since we are talking about VIPER Talkgroups & Radio IDs are assigned via a Statewide Numbering Range like this :
Each of NC's 100 Counties gets a range of Talkgroup IDs and a range of Radio IDs to use on VIPER.
Example: Durham County has the following ranges:
Talkgroup IDs= 16500-16999.
Radio IDs=630,000-649,999.
Within reason the state does not care how you label the Talkgroups/Radio IDs as long as you inform them via a submission form that the TGID and RID need to be turned on the system.
More localized radio systems are encouraged to set their own Talkgroup/Radio IDs up to match up with the statewide plan above thereby making Talkgroup/Radio ID management easier. I used to have 7 different Radio IDs in my one radio but thanks to everyone around here using the statewide numbering plan I now only have 2 IDs: One ID works on all 3 local radio systems: Durham, VIPER, Cary and the other ID works on the Wake County Radio System.
Basically the state is putting Talkgroup and Radio ID management in the hands of the local users that know best how those talkgroups and RIDs need to be used.
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Marshall, one point of clarification....we are not too concerned about Radio ID's coming from the end users provided that they are correctly listed on the ID Request form. We do however require counties and agencies to contact us directly about talk groups, rather than just picking the next available ones from the TGID block and assuming that they will be activated. Its a matter of balancing usage vs channel capacity.

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Marshall, one point of clarification....we are not too concerned about Radio ID's coming from the end users provided that they are correctly listed on the ID Request form. We do however require counties and agencies to contact us directly about talk groups, rather than just picking the next available ones from the TGID block and assuming that they will be activated. Its a matter of balancing usage vs channel capacity.

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Oh come on. Doesn't anyone miss the thrill of the figuring this stuff out?
I take that back.... I do find it thrilling to discover a new TG.... discovering the user my self is more fun :-)

Having a master list would make everything much easier.... but I prefer the challenge of discovering new talkgroups and identifying the user.

Sorry about that, everyone....


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The thing is (right or wrong) a local county may consider TG and RID info kind of confidential. Yes you can usually monitor the radio traffic but not everyone wants to publicize to the world that their "XX County Narcotics" Talkgroup is on the air for obvious reasons.
To sum up: don't expect the next edition of "VIPER Newsletter" to contain a TGID List.
Marshall KE4ZNR
I completely understand....

Again, sorry about all this, everyone....

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Viper Newsletter?
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See here: https://www.ncdps.gov/cit/Viper/VIPE...tterQ42015.pdf

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Thanks..
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No problem!

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