Milton (ON) Fire Paging

[ATCTech]

If anyone pays any attention to pager tones these days, Milton Fire (154.160) tested a total of 35 different combinations of 2-tone and 7 single tone pager sets this afternoon.

Station 4 is close to if not partially open in the last few days so that accounts for some of the radio work that's going on,

I captured all the testing and will post a list when I can assign specifics to each tone group.I hope MFD doesn't become like Halton Hills Fire where it seems like there's a different pager tone set assigned to each different colour of socks in the drawer. It's overkill taken to the next level.

 

[pokey]

Anyone have the tones for the 3 stations in Milton?

 

[mciupa]

From the Fire Tone Out document in the WIKI:

Halton Region

MILTON FIRE 652 770
MILTON FIRE 617 770
MILTON FIRE 617
MILTON FIRE 857 906
MILTON FIRE 584.7
MILTON FIRE 857 652
MILTON FIRE 617 654
MILTON FIRE 585 652
MILTON FIRE DIST 1 1396 1359

 

[pokey]

Interesting, thank you. Does it break it down into station numbers though?

 

[mciupa]

Interesting, thank you. Does it break it down into station numbers though?

I don't know. I hope the author of the document sees this post and can elaborate on what that entry means.

 

[ATCTech]

I don't know. I hope the author of the document sees this post and can elaborate on what that entry means.

Sure thing Mike, I've been working at the new combinations since Station 4 came online. These are 100% verified multiple times with a few more not yet heard since initial tests:

554/767 Stations 1/2/3
554/810 Stations 1/2/4
554/856 Stations 1/3/4
554/903 Stations 2/3/4

585/617 Station 1 & 2
585/652 Station 1 & 3
585/688 Station 1 & 4
585/767 Pager 516 District Chief Station 1
585/810 Pager 517 Safety Officer Station 1

617/652 Station 2 & 3
617/688 Station 2 & 4
617/767 Pager 526 District Chief Station 2
617/810 Pager 527 Safety Officer Station 2

652/688 Station 3 & 4
652/767 Pager 536 District Chief Station 3
652/810 Pager 537 Safety Officer Station 3

688/652 Pump 31 / Pump 41
688/767 Pager 546 District Chief Station 4

856/652 Pumper 31
856/688 Pumper 41
856/903 All Stations

585 Station 1
617 Station 2
652 Station 3
688 Station 4

Pumper 31 & 41 have dedicated pager combinations as they're staff by full-time firefighters.

Now if only the 396 held more than 10 live combinations - ARGHH!!!

Cheers!

Bob

 

[ATCTech]

RR Wiki updated with my list...

 

[pokey]

Now If I wanted to just pick up calls going to Stn 3 would I program in 652 for tone A and 0 for tone B?

Sure thing Mike, I've been working at the new combinations since Station 4 came online. These are 100% verified multiple times with a few more not yet heard since initial tests:

554/767 Stations 1/2/3
554/810 Stations 1/2/4
554/856 Stations 1/3/4
554/903 Stations 2/3/4

585/617 Station 1 & 2
585/652 Station 1 & 3
585/688 Station 1 & 4
585/767 Pager 516 District Chief Station 1
585/810 Pager 517 Safety Officer Station 1

617/652 Station 2 & 3
617/688 Station 2 & 4
617/767 Pager 526 District Chief Station 2
617/810 Pager 527 Safety Officer Station 2

652/688 Station 3 & 4
652/767 Pager 536 District Chief Station 3
652/810 Pager 537 Safety Officer Station 3

688/652 Pump 31 / Pump 41
688/767 Pager 546 District Chief Station 4

856/652 Pumper 31
856/688 Pumper 41
856/903 All Stations

585 Station 1
617 Station 2
652 Station 3
688 Station 4

Pumper 31 & 41 have dedicated pager combinations as they're staff by full-time firefighters.

Now if only the 396 held more than 10 live combinations - ARGHH!!!

Cheers!

Bob

 

[pokey]

Now If I wanted to just pick up calls going to Stn 3 would I program in 652 for tone A and 0 for tone B?

And would the volunteers have pagers programmed to that frequency with nothing for tone A or tone B?

 

[ATCTech]

If you want to hear *any* calls station 3 part time firefighters would be involved in then you'd need to program all possible combinations that include station 3 in my list. They could be paged out alone or with any other station(s). (3 alone, 1/3, 2/3, 3/4, 1/2/3, 1/3/4, 2/3/4, 1/2/3/4) The scanner wouldn't react to just having 652/0 in the tone out for anything more than a call *just* for station 3, unless that's all you want to know about. That would be a very small percentage of calls involving those guys.

Also note that calls involving more than 2 stations that include station 3 do NOT use 652 Hz in the tone-out....

 

[pokey]

If you want to hear *any* calls station 3 part time firefighters would be involved in then you'd need to program all possible combinations that include station 3 in my list. They could be paged out alone or with any other station(s). (3 alone, 1/3, 2/3, 3/4, 1/2/3, 1/3/4, 2/3/4, 1/2/3/4) The scanner wouldn't react to just having 652/0 in the tone out for anything more than a call *just* for station 3, unless that's all you want to know about. That would be a very small percentage of calls involving those guys.

Also note that calls involving more than 2 stations that include station 3 do NOT use 652 Hz in the tone-out....

Good to know. Easier just not to use tone outs for Milton I suppose. Thank you.

 

[ATCTech]

Yes, there are now too many combinations for the 396t since Station 4 came online. In answer to your earlier question, I do have A=0 / B=652 for Station 3 only in my radio and it works, so presumably the part-time guys would have the same. (I mistakenly typed 652/0 in my other reply - should be 0/652).

 

[pokey]

Thanks Bob!

 

[ATCTech]

FWIW, over the last couple of weeks Milton Fire has started paging via the UHF frequency they've had assigned but seldom used on 414.0375MHz. The VHF frequency is still in full-time use as well.I think the UHF frequency is just a link to the Appleby Line tower,...

Cheers!

Bob

 

[pokey]

Bob,

I recently picked up a 396xt and have been experimenting with the fire tone out for Milton Fire. Pumper 41 just got toned out with 855.9 and 687.6. Your tones were slightly different. Do you just round up, or use a 2-tone chart and pick frequency closest to what scanner displayed, or something else......?..

Thanks

 

[pokey]

New tones

It looks like Milton Fire has a few new tones, including a single tone for P41/P42. Can Bob or anyone advise what this tone reading actually is and what program they use to tell?

Thanks.

 

[ATCTech]

I've heard P42 running for P31 for the last week or so myself (out of Station 3) but hadn't paid any attention to changes to the paging tone structure, I'll do some monitoring/decoding and see if we have a new combination or two for the database.

FYI, I have gone exclusively to the 414 MHz paging freq in recent weeks after running it in parallel to 154.160 - no differences noted - so no more having to listen to Halton Hills calls.

- Bob

 

[pokey]

Great to know, thanks Bob! What program do you use to decode?

 

[ATCTech]

The page a few minutes ago was for P31/P41 and Station 3, The tones went out as 903 Hz (solo) followed by 652 Hz (solo), no two-tone combinations. According to my original posting, 903 was (or was suspected to be) all stations and 652 as Station 3 (correct). It would seem that 903Hz if the P31/P41 combined page tone.

More to follow as I collect data and update the list. It's going to take most of next week to capture and decode the station pager tests for all 4 locations.

I'm using a very old Windows program called Musical Tuner to measure frequencies. It's probably accurate with 1 or 2 Hz.

 

[pokey]

I heard that page too. Ok thank you for doing that!