XTL 5000 programming a Yaesu System Fusion repeater personality

[toolman60]

Hi All,

Can someone help me in adding a System Fusion Repeater personality. I have added the conv. personality added astro TX,RX.
When I go to Zone channel assignment tab It shows NAC as 293. Is that suppose to default to that NAC? The repeater page shows nothing of the NAC . It is a analog/dig repeater.

Richmond, James Monroe Building 146.94000 KN4SKI Virginia Repeater

Thanks
Tim

 

[lolbananalol2]

Motorola radios won’t do System Fusion. You’ll need a Yaesu radio for that.


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[KG4INW]

Correct, no YSF with an XTL 5000 but you can use the KG4MRA repeater (145.430) which is a mixed mode analog/P25 repeater. Using the standard NAC of 293.

 

[toolman60]

Ah ok, I thought the system fusion was C4FM like in the AS and XTL no biggie. KG4MRA is dead out here on me on P25 but a few regulars on it in analog I hear. Just trying to see what I can reach to from the home location. KG4MRA is reachable from here on the mobile.

 

[radioman2001]

Wasn't there a mod to make the early version Fusion repeaters handle P-25?

 

[MTS2000des]

Ah ok, I thought the system fusion was C4FM like in the AS and XTL no biggie.

C4FM is a modulation technique, not a protocol. Just because a given RF device transmits C4FM doesn't mean it's air interface compatible with another.

For example: NXDN uses C4FM. It isn't protocol compatible with P25 or D-Star or anything else. The protocol of the data is what matters, and System Fusion is a one-off format created by Yaesu.

 

[KG4INW]

...KG4MRA is dead out here on me on P25 but a few regulars on it in analog I hear.

I use it in P25 along with a couple other hams from time to time. Mostly during my commute.

 

[Project25_MASTR]

And this is where the confusion lays with Yaesu marketing their System (con)Fusion digital protocol as C4FM. It is a mode of modulation which also encompasses ASTRO (Motorola's old VSLEP based digital protocol), Project 25 (Phase 1, non-simulcast), and NXDN (both wide and narrow).

 

[toolman60]

C4FM is a modulation technique, not a protocol. Just because a given RF device transmits C4FM doesn't mean it's air interface compatible with another.

For example: NXDN uses C4FM. It isn't protocol compatible with P25 or D-Star or anything else. The protocol of the data is what matters, and System Fusion is a one-off format created by Yaesu.

As I stated I thought it was C4FM like in the AS & XTL. Hence the word (like). I did not know Yaesu had created their own protocol to use in the SF. No big deal was just playing about with the radio to see how far out I could hear. I am on the fringe of the KG4MRA repeater.

That is why I have no digital radios for ham to many protocols, D Star,DMR,YSF.

 

[toolman60]

I use it in P25 along with a couple other hams from time to time. Mostly during my commute.

Next time I turn it on I will listen for you all. It is off now. I did hear someone talking yesterday about a balloon and tracking it but I was working on the truck at the time. I think they were on the analog side not 100% sure of that.

 

[MTS2000des]

As I stated I thought it was C4FM like in the AS & XTL. H.

Again, your confusing a modulation type (C4FM) with an air interface protocol. Yaesu's marketing is just that: marketing.

In the P25 world, both C4FM and LSM are utilized. This is just a transport mechanism of modulating a digital carrier. Nothing more. The protocol is how the data packets are formatted and sent over the air. TETRA and DMR utilize both TDMA and FDMA modulation types for various layers of the air interface but the protocols are vastly different.