PA Statewide P25 Phase 2 System

[u2brent]

Thanks! I'm talking about this system and how to manually program it into my current scanners. https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?siteId=32572 It's 3 freqs so would it be P25=Standard Trunk or how would I manually program it? I assume I don't hear anything cuz my current radios are not Phase 2, or nothing being aired yet, or programmed in wrong? Great idea about getting scan list set up! I live on edge of 2 counties so need both but need to keep them separate as well.

Your correct it's P25 Standard for the system type. But it's entirely Phase 2, So a Phase 1 only radio won't receive anything trunking wise. (Although it would appear to be working properly, you won't actually get an active TG out of a PH1 radio on this system)

155.670 CC (Most probably active)
154.680 SCC (Alternate CC/They occasionally switch, but usually not for long)
These would be the frequencies needed in you programing for that site.

The site's online so you should "hear" the CC in a conventional mode/search/scan; if your within range..
Should see a NAC of 945 from the CC at least. (Provided the radio displays NAC, and the DB is correct)
I hope this makes sense..
What other radio are you trying to program?

 

[GTR8000]

Thanks! I'm talking about this system and how to manually program it into my current scanners. https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?siteId=32572 It's 3 freqs so would it be P25=Standard Trunk or how would I manually program it? I assume I don't hear anything cuz my current radios are not Phase 2, or nothing being aired yet, or programmed in wrong? Great idea about getting scan list set up! I live on edge of 2 counties so need both but need to keep them separate as well.

I'm not sure how much of this really long thread you've read through, but it's worth mentioning that even with a Phase II capable scanner like the SDS100, you are not going to hear any PSP activity on this system, as all of their talkgroups are encrypted.

 

[Whiskey3JMC]

I caught the rest of Site 89 today & will be submitting to RRDB

 

[u2brent]

Very nice!

I caught the rest of Site 89 today & will be submitting to RRDB

1.85 has a CC change..

 

[RogerH11]

I'm not sure how much of this really long thread you've read through, but it's worth mentioning that even with a Phase II capable scanner like the SDS100, you are not going to hear any PSP activity on this system, as all of their talkgroups are encrypted.

Well, I seen that and was hoping that was an assumption from the Opensky system, so am hoping its an assumption while they leave dispatch in the open while encrypting TAC stuff like was talked about before Opensky. That sure hurts after spending $800 with accessories but still need a Phase 2 radio. I went from 40-50 scanners (conv/Analog trunk to 2 digital, soon to be 3 digital so it is what it is.

 

[GTR8000]

Well, I seen that and was hoping that was an assumption from the Opensky system, so am hoping its an assumption while they leave dispatch in the open while encrypting TAC stuff like was talked about before Opensky.

It was confirmed long ago, PSP is fully encrypted on all talkgroups.

 

[scnrfrq]

Yes, PSP will be the primary mobile users. Other agencies may as well, but I know that PGC will have very few mobiles, and the representative from DCNR said that they're satisfied with the portable coverage so far for their use.

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Any word on when DCNR will be testing in NW PA?

 

[EMT1301]

Any word on when DCNR will be testing in NW PA?

I do not know their timeline, unfortunately. I only know that they're eager to switch and are working aggressively toward that goal.

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[u2brent]

Some News,

We have a confirmation of 1.55 Hanover/York YORK35 800 WRAJ230 NAC 949 being online!

See post:

https://forums.radioreference.com/t...entinel-v2-02-revision-01.389289/post-3135259

Also Truce 1.65 has 1.57 back as a neighbor, ousting 1.56 again..

 

[mtindor]

Some News,

We have a confirmation of 1.55 Hanover/York YORK35 800 WRAJ230 NAC 949 being online!

See post:

https://forums.radioreference.com/t...entinel-v2-02-revision-01.389289/post-3135259

Also Truce 1.65 has 1.57 back as a neighbor, ousting 1.56 again..

Thanks, Brent. Added.

Mike

 

[u2brent]

Thanks, Brent. Added.

Mike

Thanks, Mike.
Eventually, Someone will snag the NL & confirm usage of the additional frequencies..

It looks like Central PA is a wrap, Just waiting for Oxford 1.69 CHES96 to come online.
Unless there's a surprise...

 

[GTR8000]

DVRS (Digital Vehicular Repeater System) confirmed as using the state's allocation of 700 MHz frequencies. These are low power, intended to give the portable radios greater range on the P25 system by going through the mobile radio. More about how they work in this post I made a few months back. So far 1600 DVRS have been deployed, with 3000 additional planned.

This is the current DVRS utilization plan, broken down first by groups of counties, then by frequencies (45 total so far). I'm going to split this into three separate posts so that it's not one giant single post. This stuff probably ought to make its way into the wiki at some point, which is not really my cup of tea, so anyone is welcome to go ahead and dump it in there.

A few notes:

• 773.04375 is common to all counties
• Indiana and Luzerne counties are on two different lists
• Adams, Blair, Clinton, Elk, and Juniata counties are missing from the plan

 

[GTR8000]

Crawford, Erie, Venango, Warren
769.91875
770.41875
770.45625
770.96875
773.04375
773.05625
773.83125
774.05625

Armstrong, Beaver, Butler, Lawrence, Mercer
770.21875
770.69375
770.91875
773.04375
773.08125
773.28125
774.30625

Allegheny, Fayette, Greene, Washington
769.20625
769.43125
769.66875
769.68125
769.93125
773.04375
773.56875

Clarion, Clearfield, Forest, Indiana, Jefferson, McKean
769.20625
769.40625
769.66875
769.68125
769.90625
769.93125
770.19375
770.40625
773.04375

Cameron, Lycoming, Montour, Northumberland, Potter, Snyder, Tioga, Union
770.41875
770.45625
770.69375
770.70625
770.71875
773.04375
773.05625
773.29375
773.53125

Bradford, Luzerne, Sullivan, Wyoming
769.20625
769.68125
769.91875
770.19375
770.21875
770.46875
773.04375

Lackawanna, Pike, Susquehanna, Wayne
770.41875
773.04375
773.28125
774.03125
774.28125
774.78125

Carbon, Columbia, Luzerne, Monroe
769.40625
769.93125
770.15625
770.40625
770.45625
773.04375
773.58125

Bucks, Lehigh, Northampton
769.66875
769.90625
770.69375
770.96875
773.04375
774.58125
774.78125

Delaware, Montgomery, Philadelphia
769.19375
769.20625
769.46875
770.45625
773.04375

Chester, Lancaster, York
769.43125
770.19375
770.21875
770.69375
770.91875
773.04375

Cumberland, Dauphin, Franklin, Perry
769.46875
770.15625
770.21875
773.04375
773.56875
773.59375
774.03125
774.78125

Bedford, Centre, Fulton, Huntingdon, Mifflin
769.91875
770.46875
770.91875
773.04375
773.05625
773.28125
773.56875
773.58125
773.59375

Cambria, Indiana, Somerset, Westmoreland
770.15625
770.41875
770.71875
770.90625
770.96875
773.04375
773.54375

Berks, Lebanon, Schuylkill
769.44375
773.04375
773.34375
773.56875
773.80625
773.81875
774.34375

 

[GTR8000]

• 769.19375 - Delaware, Montgomery, Philadelphia
• 769.20625 - Allegheny, Bradford, Clarion, Clearfield, Delaware, Fayette, Forest, Greene, Indiana, Jefferson, Luzerne, McKean, Montgomery, Philadelphia, Sullivan, Washington, Wyoming
• 769.40625 - Carbon, Clarion, Clearfield, Columbia, Forest, Indiana, Jefferson, Luzerne, McKean, Monroe
• 769.43125 - Allegheny, Chester, Fayette, Greene, Lancaster, Washington, York
• 769.44375 - Berks, Lebanon, Schuylkill
• 769.46875 - Cumberland, Dauphin, Delaware, Franklin, Montgomery, Perry, Philadelphia
• 769.66875 - Allegheny, Bucks, Clarion, Clearfield, Fayette, Forest, Greene, Indiana, Jefferson, Lehigh, McKean, Northampton, Washington
• 769.68125 - Allegheny, Bradford, Clarion, Clearfield, Fayette, Forest, Greene, Indiana, Jefferson, Luzerne, McKean, Sullivan, Washington, Wyoming
• 769.90625 - Bucks, Clarion, Clearfield, Forest, Indiana, Jefferson, Lehigh, McKean, Northampton
• 769.91875 - Bedford, Bradford, Centre, Crawford, Erie, Fulton, Huntingdon, Luzerne, Mifflin, Sullivan, Venango, Warren, Wyoming
• 769.93125 - Allegheny, Carbon, Clarion, Clearfield, Columbia, Fayette, Forest, Greene, Indiana, Jefferson, Luzerne, McKean, Monroe, Washington
• 770.15625 - Cambria, Carbon, Columbia, Cumberland, Dauphin, Franklin, Indiana, Luzerne, Monroe, Perry, Somerset, Westmoreland
• 770.19375 - Bradford, Chester, Clarion, Clearfield, Forest, Indiana, Jefferson, Lancaster, Luzerne, McKean, Sullivan, Wyoming, York
• 770.21875 - Armstrong, Beaver, Bradford, Butler, Chester, Cumberland, Dauphin, Franklin, Lancaster, Lawrence, Luzerne, Mercer, Perry, Sullivan, Wyoming, York
• 770.40625 - Carbon, Clarion, Clearfield, Columbia, Forest, Indiana, Jefferson, Luzerne, McKean, Monroe
• 770.41875 - Cambria, Cameron, Crawford, Erie, Indiana, Lackawanna, Lycoming, Montour, Northumberland, Pike, Potter, Snyder, Somerset, Susquehanna, Tioga, Union, Venango, Warren, Wayne, Westmoreland
• 770.45625 - Cameron, Carbon, Columbia, Crawford, Delaware, Erie, Luzerne, Lycoming, Monroe, Montgomery, Montour, Northumberland, Philadelphia, Potter, Snyder, Tioga, Union, Venango, Warren
• 770.46875 - Bedford, Bradford, Centre, Fulton, Huntingdon, Luzerne, Mifflin, Sullivan, Wyoming
• 770.69375 - Armstrong, Beaver, Bucks, Butler, Cameron, Chester, Lancaster, Lawrence, Lehigh, Lycoming, Mercer, Montour, Northampton, Northumberland, Potter, Snyder, Tioga, Union, York
• 770.70625 - Cameron, Lycoming, Montour, Northumberland, Potter, Snyder, Tioga, Union
• 770.71875 - Cambria, Cameron, Indiana, Lycoming, Montour, Northumberland, Potter, Snyder, Somerset, Tioga, Union, Westmoreland
• 770.90625 - Cambria, Indiana, Somerset, Westmoreland
• 770.91875 - Armstrong, Beaver, Bedford, Butler, Centre, Chester, Fulton, Huntingdon, Lancaster, Lawrence, Mercer, Mifflin, York
• 770.96875 - Bucks, Cambria, Crawford, Erie, Indiana, Lehigh, Northampton, Somerset, Venango, Warren, Westmoreland
• 773.04375 - ALL COUNTIES
• 773.05625 - Bedford, Cameron, Centre, Crawford, Erie, Fulton, Huntingdon, Lycoming, Mifflin, Montour, Northumberland, Potter, Snyder, Tioga, Union, Venango, Warren
• 773.08125 - Armstrong, Beaver, Butler, Lawrence, Mercer
• 773.28125 - Armstrong, Beaver, Bedford, Butler, Centre, Fulton, Huntingdon, Lackawanna, Lawrence, Mercer, Mifflin, Pike, Susquehanna, Wayne
• 773.29375 - Cameron, Lycoming, Montour, Northumberland, Potter, Snyder, Tioga, Union
• 773.34375 - Berks, Lebanon, Schuylkill
• 773.53125 - Cameron, Lycoming, Montour, Northumberland, Potter, Snyder, Tioga, Union
• 773.54375 - Cambria, Indiana, Somerset, Westmoreland
• 773.56875 - Allegheny, Bedford, Berks, Centre, Cumberland, Dauphin, Fayette, Franklin, Fulton, Greene, Huntingdon, Lebanon, Mifflin, Perry, Schuylkill, Washington
• 773.58125 - Bedford, Carbon, Centre, Columbia, Fulton, Huntingdon, Luzerne, Mifflin, Monroe
• 773.59375 - Bedford, Centre, Cumberland, Dauphin, Franklin, Fulton, Huntingdon, Mifflin, Perry
• 773.80625 - Berks, Lebanon, Schuylkill
• 773.81875 - Berks, Lebanon, Schuylkill
• 773.83125 - Crawford, Erie, Venango, Warren
• 774.03125 - Cumberland, Dauphin, Franklin, Lackawanna, Perry, Pike, Susquehanna, Wayne
• 774.05625 - Crawford, Erie, Venango, Warren
• 774.28125 - Lackawanna, Pike, Susquehanna, Wayne
• 774.30625 - Armstrong, Beaver, Butler, Lawrence, Mercer
• 774.34375 - Berks, Lebanon, Schuylkill
• 774.58125 - Bucks, Lehigh, Northampton
• 774.78125 - Bucks, Cumberland, Dauphin, Franklin, Lackawanna, Lehigh, Northampton, Perry, Pike, Susquehanna, Wayne

 

[ka3aaa]

Are the frequencies listed above trunked in the statewide P25 radio system or are the being utilized as conventional with digital voice for comms..

 

[GTR8000]

Are the frequencies listed above trunked in the statewide P25 radio system or are the being utilized as conventional with digital voice for comms..

They are being used for vehicular repeaters (essentially range extenders). Please re-read the first paragraph of my initial post and check the link I put to an older post where I explain their usage.

 

[mtindor]

Hmm. So what does one think? A UHF P25 site at the same location as 1.15 North East PA 800 ?

ULS Application - Public Safety Pool, Trunked - 0008679321 - COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA - Locations Summary

460.1125
460.1875
460.300
460.3875
460.625

license indicates 10,000 mobiles, so it suggests it would be part of the statewide system. 25w (fairly low power). What's in North East, PA to warrant a UHF site (and not VHF) along with the 800 site ?

 

[GTR8000]

Erie County already has a UHF site on the system, 1.17 Lawrence Park. The only UHF site, in fact, so them adding another isn't really that surprising. Could be they reached some sort of agreement with the commonwealth to have UHF sites for better interop with the county's new UHF P25 system.

 

[mtindor]

Erie County already has a UHF site on the system, 1.17 Lawrence Park. The only UHF site, in fact, so them adding another isn't really that surprising. Could be they reached some sort of agreement with the commonwealth to have UHF sites for better interop with the county's new UHF P25 system.

Rgr that. Makes sense.

 

[ocguard]

DVRS (Digital Vehicular Repeater System) confirmed as using the state's allocation of 700 MHz frequencies. These are low power, intended to give the portable radios greater range on the P25 system by going through the mobile radio. More about how they work in this post I made a few months back. So far 1600 DVRS have been deployed, with 3000 additional planned.

This is the current DVRS utilization plan, broken down first by groups of counties, then by frequencies (45 total so far). I'm going to split this into three separate posts so that it's not one giant single post. This stuff probably ought to make its way into the wiki at some point, which is not really my cup of tea, so anyone is welcome to go ahead and dump it in there.

A few notes:

• 773.04375 is common to all counties
• Indiana and Luzerne counties are on two different lists
• Adams, Blair, Clinton, Elk, and Juniata counties are missing from the plan

Regarding the DVRS, do the users have the option to turn it on versus connect directly to a tower? Is this handled automatically based on signal strength? I'm just thinking, troopers in Red Lion, York County are getting the standard channel grant "dit dit dit" on their radios, and there's a tower in Red Lion. I wonder if they're connected directly to the tower. Or maybe the channel grant tone still sounds even when using the DVRS?