LADD - Alberta or Nationwide?

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In reality they seem to be used all over Canada no matter what any restrictions say and for that matter they could be listed as nationwide in the USA also as i hear them in use at least once a day in North Dakota....
 

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In reality they seem to be used all over Canada no matter what any restrictions say and for that matter they could be listed as nationwide in the USA also as i hear them in use at least once a day in north dakota....


Not surprised really.158.9400 is not a valid resource road frequency in Alberta, but I can think of many places it is used as a resource road frequency in Alberta.


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No as stated! And wasn't the illegal use of 154.1 in lower BC causing interference with a public service frequency in Washington State? As stated, there really is no free frequencies other than FRS in the VHF/UHF. All radios are licensed but can add frequencies such as LADD but have to follow their restricted use areas as stated on their license. But people can't read today so they do not see this on their license, or choose not to get a license. Most restrictions apply to Southern parts of Alberta and around large metropolitan cities where licenses are given, generally for low wattage use.
 

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I have logged 52 different freqs between 143 and 174 used by canadian truckers in north dakota....
 

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So is that legal in North Dakota? There are a number of frequencies besides the LADDs that trucking businesses are licensed to use. And IC does try to license based on their stated area of use. But seeing as a lot of them don't even follow what is on their license in Canada, not really surprised they are not concerned about what frequency they use in the states. Unfortunately, they often do not even know they are on someone else's licensed frequency or causing interference. A Fire Department in a town south of Edmonton had a lot of interference from truckers using a frequency for which they did not have authorization to use around Edmonton. I have heard truckers from out of province, and in province using frequencies assigned to Fire Departments, businesses, Alberta SRD, and these are not the so called LADD frequencies. The 150 mHZ frequencies in Alberta are used by a large number of rule Fire/EMS departments, not to mention RCMP [currently].
 

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No as stated! And wasn't the illegal use of 154.1 in lower BC causing interference with a public service frequency in Washington State? As stated, there really is no free frequencies other than FRS in the VHF/UHF. All radios are licensed but can add frequencies such as LADD but have to follow their restricted use areas as stated on their license. But people can't read today so they do not see this on their license, or choose not to get a license. Most restrictions apply to Southern parts of Alberta and around large metropolitan cities where licenses are given, generally for low wattage use.


The LAD and Alberta Open channels can be licensed at up to 30w. If being used as resource road channels in a mobile radio, likely they will be licensed @ 30w

Mobile stations can only be licensed at a maximum of 30w in Canada

158.9400 is a public safety frequency in Washington state as well. If you look at the restrictions on LAD 1, in Alberta it is only to be used as a resource road channel at or above the latitude of Edmonton, LAD 2 and LAD 3 are not allowed in Alberta, LAD 4 is allowed in Alberta every where.

The Alberta Open channels all have area restrictions in different places.

One of the frequencies my company is licensed for, 169.7100 is not to be used with in 100KM of the 'Smokey Tower' and not south of Medicine Hat or south of Claresholm. But can be used in Saskatchewan and Manitoba. At 5w. Another channel can be used at 30w.
 

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No.... Its a canadian radio free for all around here....


When licensing for trucking in western Canada, you can apply for appendix 1, 1b, 6 and RR. It comes to between 300-400 unique radio frequencies... All valid only in either BC or Alberta depending on who the original license holder is.
 

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They are all on TAFL, just need to know how to look for them.

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Not to be picking [well maybe] but the Trucking Common Forest Protection Division frequencies have some indicating their restrictions. The LADD frequencies do not, but they also have restrictions. Should LADD also indicate these restrictions as they are not open to be used all over Alberta and BD?
 

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158.9400 has stated usage from bc to manitoba....


As a mobile to mobile, with respect to it being a resource road frequency, is NOT valid in Alberta. That frequency is utilized by other LMR users in Alberta. If you look at an actual license, and read the geographical restrictions, you will know it is NOT allowed to be used in Alberta as a Resource Road frequency.


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So this means they cant use it in Alberta ???? (just a partial listing}

158.9400 158.9400 B & D TRUCKING LTD PROV OF BC, AB, SK, MB AS INDICATED
158.9400 158.9400 DOUG F. HILL TRUCKING PROV OF BC, AB, SK, MB AS INDICATED
158.9400 158.9400 GPH PILOT TRUCK SERVICES PROV OF BC, AB, SK, MB AS INDICATED
158.9400 158.9400 JAY-JO TRUCKING PROV OF BC, AB, SK, MB AS INDICATED
158.9400 158.9400 KFC TRUCKING LTD. PROV OF BC, AB, SK, MB AS INDICATED
158.9400 158.9400 RICHARD PILECKI TRUCKING RICHARD PILECKI PROV OF BC, AB, SK, MB AS INDICATED
158.9400 158.9400 VEER TRUCKING LTD PROV OF BC, AB, SK, MB AS INDICATED
158.9400 158.9400 W BRYANT TRUCKING PROV OF BC, AB, SK, MB AS INDICATED
158.9400 158.9400 SEKHON BROS TRUCKING LTD. PROV OF BC/AB/SK/MN - AS SPECIFIED
158.9400 158.9400 DAN GAMACHE TRUCKING INC PROVINCE OF BC & AB
158.9400 158.9400 DALE MCKEITH TRUCKING PROVINCE OF BC & AB -SEE CONDITIONS
158.9400 158.9400 RAPID TRUCKING PROVINCE OF BC & AB-SEE CONDITIONS
158.9400 158.9400 KAUNKE TRUCKING PROVINCE OF BC & AB-SEE CONDITIONS
158.9400 158.9400 SUNNYWOLD TRUCKING PROVINCE OF BC & AB-SEE CONDITIONS
158.9400 158.9400 DOSAN TRUCKING INC. PROVINCE OF BC & AB-SEE CONDITIONS
158.9400 158.9400 J BROOK TRUCKING LTD PROVINCE OF BC & AB-SEE CONDITIONS
158.9400 158.9400 LONESTAR TRUCKING LTD PROVINCE OF BC & AB-SEE CONDITIONS
158.9400 158.9400 R R PLETT TRUCKING LTD. PROVINCE OF BC & AB-SEE CONDITIONS
158.9400 158.9400 STORY'S TRUCKING LTD. PROVINCE OF BC & AB-SEE CONDITIONS
 

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So this means they cant use it in Alberta ???? (just a partial listing}





158.9400158.9400GPH PILOT TRUCK SERVICESPROV OF BC, AB, SK, MB AS INDICATED


When you use http://tafl.mckie.ca/ you get results like those you copied and pasted here. When you take the 7 digit license number(in the instance of randomness the listing I kept from your post) 4888688 and go to https://sd.ic.gc.ca/pls/engdoc_anon/virtlic$.startup and bring up the actual license Industry Canada issues to the company listed, you get this:
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And page 2:

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On page one you will see that 158.9400 is only authorized for use in BC. Every frequency has some conditions of where they can and can not be used. It is up to the license holder to abide by the conditions of their license. By using 158.9400 outside of the conditions of their license, they are violating their license, and subject to enforcement by IC, they just never do any enforcement.


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"they just never do any enforcement."
This is why LADS should be listed as nationwide in both Canada and the USA !
 
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