All Appear to be correct...I will add them to the database...
Marshall KE4ZNR
Marshall KE4ZNR
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2005-2008 VIPER Discussion (Archive)
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msigmon3306
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I haven't found a thing that the 5000 can do that the 2500 can't do. I've got one of each and I've found the 2500 to be a little more user friendly as far as buttons, zones, etc. The only problem with the 2500 is that I can't get more than about 9 hours of battery out of one even with a high capacity battery. I can get 12 + with a 5000.
I just bought 9 EF Johnson 51 SL's for our agency. They are basically a 5000 in an EFJ case--for about half the price. I've been playing with one for about six months now and have concluded that it's a great radio; plus it's solid as a rock. If you look at the specs for a 5000 and a 51 SL they are exactly the same; plus the EFJ uses the exact same battery as a 5000.
Great audio but the button layout and menu isn't very user friendly. So, I'll have to invest a little more training time when they are eventually issued but we've saved a lot of money by going with EFJ.
FireCop
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It is good to hear from some who are/will be actually using the system and their radio expericences. Even better is that you are using non-Moto radios and speak from that perspective.
I personally don't have VIPER capabilities in my issued radio but some in my agency do. As stated before they are the 5000's, where my issued unit is a 2500.
I personally don't have VIPER capabilities in my issued radio but some in my agency do. As stated before they are the 5000's, where my issued unit is a 2500.
I can see the only few radios being directly on VIPER would be Motorola and EF Johnson, since they are the only manufacturers that are making smartzone equipment. With the release of the Thales Liberty this year, i'm sure some of those will pop up on the system as well.
The XTS3000 was the first radio in the XTS line that is no longer in production. They do a maximum of 255 talkgroups.
The XTS5000 is part of the current Astro25 line and offers 850 channels/talkgroups and use the same accessories as the XTS3000. An agency could switch from the XTS3000 to the 5000 and utilize all the same accessories, including the batteries.
The XTS2500 was introduced after the XTS5000 as a smaller and more limited package, but has since been expanded to do pretty much everything that the XTS5000 will. Initially, they were offered with 4 Megs of memory (The XTS5000 has 8 Megs) and were limited to 512 channels/talkgroups, although the later models have 8 megs of memory and I think now support 850 talkgroups. They can use the Jedi accessories except for batteries, which are closer to the Waris (HT1250) type.
In the near future you will likely see the XTS4000 pop up in service as Motorola releases them to agencies this year. There are likely some Astro Sabers on the system as well, as well as the EF Johnson equipment. I would not be surprised if there are a few GP580's, ATS2500's, and MTS2000's on the system as well for analog talkgroups.
The XTS3000 was the first radio in the XTS line that is no longer in production. They do a maximum of 255 talkgroups.
The XTS5000 is part of the current Astro25 line and offers 850 channels/talkgroups and use the same accessories as the XTS3000. An agency could switch from the XTS3000 to the 5000 and utilize all the same accessories, including the batteries.
The XTS2500 was introduced after the XTS5000 as a smaller and more limited package, but has since been expanded to do pretty much everything that the XTS5000 will. Initially, they were offered with 4 Megs of memory (The XTS5000 has 8 Megs) and were limited to 512 channels/talkgroups, although the later models have 8 megs of memory and I think now support 850 talkgroups. They can use the Jedi accessories except for batteries, which are closer to the Waris (HT1250) type.
In the near future you will likely see the XTS4000 pop up in service as Motorola releases them to agencies this year. There are likely some Astro Sabers on the system as well, as well as the EF Johnson equipment. I would not be surprised if there are a few GP580's, ATS2500's, and MTS2000's on the system as well for analog talkgroups.
Viper in Eastern NC
I just returned from another Nags Head, NC trip. Highway Patrol was almost entirely on Viper from just west of Williamston down 64 to Nags Head. I don't see any towers in this area listed in the database other than Wiliamston, anyone have any info? I'm fairly sure Plymouth, Columbia, and East Lake are active but I was only able to get one control channel the entire way, 868.375 I think. Low band was almost completely unused until I was back in Edgecombe county & Raleigh Dispatch......nothing on the Outer Banks was monitored on the 800mhz other than HP and business stuff, all still UHF & VHF. Did catch a few Parks transmissions on 164.xxx. Saw a bunch of US Fish & Wildlife trucks running around on US 64 in western Dare County. The trucks had 28" or so Maxrad like antennas so I'm assuming they use some part of the VHF 160 spectrum?
I just returned from another Nags Head, NC trip. Highway Patrol was almost entirely on Viper from just west of Williamston down 64 to Nags Head. I don't see any towers in this area listed in the database other than Wiliamston, anyone have any info? I'm fairly sure Plymouth, Columbia, and East Lake are active but I was only able to get one control channel the entire way, 868.375 I think. Low band was almost completely unused until I was back in Edgecombe county & Raleigh Dispatch......nothing on the Outer Banks was monitored on the 800mhz other than HP and business stuff, all still UHF & VHF. Did catch a few Parks transmissions on 164.xxx. Saw a bunch of US Fish & Wildlife trucks running around on US 64 in western Dare County. The trucks had 28" or so Maxrad like antennas so I'm assuming they use some part of the VHF 160 spectrum?
FireCop
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A Big Thanks!!!!
Jake/ATF1224 thank you for your thorough explanation concerning the radios for this system.
Jake/ATF1224 thank you for your thorough explanation concerning the radios for this system.
msigmon3306
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msigmon3306 said:
They say it works on "legacy analog FM, and P25 trunking and conventional". VIPER is a type II system, and except for the claim of "all modes" then don't get your hopes up on getting one for VIPER or Hickory.
basstuba
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I noticed the above article stated the NCHP Capt. commented the Viper system did not have paging capabilities. This might be a dumb question, but does any trunked radio system have paging capabilities? Our paging is done on uhf for pager alerting purposes and a talkgroup that is simulcasted from the uhf dispatch channel.
I like the concept of the Viper system. It seems like it has real good mutual aid interoperability.
I like the concept of the Viper system. It seems like it has real good mutual aid interoperability.
No trunked systems can have what fire and EMS consider paging (QCII tones and then voice message) as there are no trunking pagers. So anyone who uses 800mhz trunking will need to also have another frequency for volunteer fire/EMS alerting.
Does anyone know if the 800mhz TTX5000/2500 support QCII paging? If they do, A volunteer radio could be setup with a conventional 800mhz frequency for alerting and have the radio set to a QCII programmed channel, then go to whatever TG they normally use. It would save having to have an entire separate band just for paging, plus they would have a conventional repeater to use in case of trunking failure.
I would not bet my hide on 800mhz paging if it could work :lol:
Does anyone know if the 800mhz TTX5000/2500 support QCII paging? If they do, A volunteer radio could be setup with a conventional 800mhz frequency for alerting and have the radio set to a QCII programmed channel, then go to whatever TG they normally use. It would save having to have an entire separate band just for paging, plus they would have a conventional repeater to use in case of trunking failure.
I would not bet my hide on 800mhz paging if it could work :lol:
The systems that do have their own 800 mHz paging in place don't do it through a trunking system. Those would be using a single dedicated 800 freq that, depending on the particular setup, may be either analog tone and voice paging or digital alphanumeric paging, and may be single site paging or simulcast at selected or all sites. Basically, you would have an 800 mHz pager instead of a UHF or VHF or low VHF unit.
With all that said, there are the systems that alert the stations through a SCADA (Supervisory Control And Data Acquistion) telemetry system tied to the trunking system, such as Motorola's MOSCAD. MOSCAD and other SCADA systems are mostly used to monitor and control water and sewer systems, storm water monitoring and stream guaging, power systems, irrigation systems, etc. Simpler low traffic systems can utilize a talk group, or utilize a portion of the control channel's data stream, but most use dedicated frequencies so that there is no "waiting" for access. The field units are called an RTU (Remote Terminal Unit) and have a trunking radio in the RTU so that they can receive and transmit data and acknowledge polling, but this system has no capability for alerting pagers as there are presently no trunking pagers.
Question is, how hard would it be to make a pager for trunked systems? The answer is, not hard at all. Most alerting pagers are based on the receiver section of one of the manufacturers' portable radios, so as in the case of the currently available pagers, it's not a long stretch to imagine that a non-affiliating model using the same tracking protocols that scanners use is perfectly possible. How well it would work would remain to be seen, but still.......
With all that said, there are the systems that alert the stations through a SCADA (Supervisory Control And Data Acquistion) telemetry system tied to the trunking system, such as Motorola's MOSCAD. MOSCAD and other SCADA systems are mostly used to monitor and control water and sewer systems, storm water monitoring and stream guaging, power systems, irrigation systems, etc. Simpler low traffic systems can utilize a talk group, or utilize a portion of the control channel's data stream, but most use dedicated frequencies so that there is no "waiting" for access. The field units are called an RTU (Remote Terminal Unit) and have a trunking radio in the RTU so that they can receive and transmit data and acknowledge polling, but this system has no capability for alerting pagers as there are presently no trunking pagers.
Question is, how hard would it be to make a pager for trunked systems? The answer is, not hard at all. Most alerting pagers are based on the receiver section of one of the manufacturers' portable radios, so as in the case of the currently available pagers, it's not a long stretch to imagine that a non-affiliating model using the same tracking protocols that scanners use is perfectly possible. How well it would work would remain to be seen, but still.......
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Iredell Talkgroups?
I was coming back from Asheville this morning when I noticed what appeared to be talkgroups on Barium Springs and Pores Knob that were patched to some Iredell County conventional channels.
29840 patched to 453.650 Iredell County SO
31536 patched to 453.200 Statesville PD
29872 patched to 155.205 Iredell County EMS
I stopped at exit 151 and recorded these in the Wal-Mart parking lot but I did not hang around to see if there was a patch to Iredell County Fire. I group my Viper sites in my 996 by SHP troop, so it seems like a lot has been happening in Troop F with patches to Catawba, Burke and now Iredell along with new talkgroups in Caldwell.
I was coming back from Asheville this morning when I noticed what appeared to be talkgroups on Barium Springs and Pores Knob that were patched to some Iredell County conventional channels.
29840 patched to 453.650 Iredell County SO
31536 patched to 453.200 Statesville PD
29872 patched to 155.205 Iredell County EMS
I stopped at exit 151 and recorded these in the Wal-Mart parking lot but I did not hang around to see if there was a patch to Iredell County Fire. I group my Viper sites in my 996 by SHP troop, so it seems like a lot has been happening in Troop F with patches to Catawba, Burke and now Iredell along with new talkgroups in Caldwell.
Caldwell County
Caldwell County agencies now using their VIPER talkgroups some as well.
Granite Falls PD, Hudson PD and Sheriff Dept..
So far, not patches like elsewhere. Pure digital 800 mode.
Hibriten, Linville, High Peak, and Baker Mtn. sites carrying the Caldwell traffic.
Caldwell County agencies now using their VIPER talkgroups some as well.
Granite Falls PD, Hudson PD and Sheriff Dept..
So far, not patches like elsewhere. Pure digital 800 mode.
Hibriten, Linville, High Peak, and Baker Mtn. sites carrying the Caldwell traffic.
ok Viper gurus answer me this if possible - I live at the NC/SC border (Little River to be specific) Sometimes I get the BLADEN SITE - sometimes I don't (mostly don't)
315 *Bladen County-Elizabethtown (Alias E-TOWN)
nothing closer I can try and hear Viper on and my antenna is limited , I do have the Brunswick County frequencies but they are not active yet (correct?).
The question is why can't I get the Bladen site ALL THE TIME instead of some of the time , I'm thinking weather conditions but just thought I'd ask.
ALSO - WHY ISN'T THE BRUNSWICK COUNTY SYSTEM RUNNING YET ??
315 *Bladen County-Elizabethtown (Alias E-TOWN)
nothing closer I can try and hear Viper on and my antenna is limited , I do have the Brunswick County frequencies but they are not active yet (correct?).
The question is why can't I get the Bladen site ALL THE TIME instead of some of the time , I'm thinking weather conditions but just thought I'd ask.
ALSO - WHY ISN'T THE BRUNSWICK COUNTY SYSTEM RUNNING YET ??
Little RIver to E-town is a looooong way. Even if you had a hardline-equipped 12el beam aimed that way, I'd still not make a bet on getting a full time link.
Flatshovel
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Viper System
Hello all,
Just wondering is there a Viper system setup for Chowan and Pasquotank countys? I have looked under the trunking database but don't see it listed. However I went to the fcc database and did a search for frequencys and did find a trunking site for both. I have loaded the freqencys into my PSR500 and I am hearing traffic which sounds like NCHP and Nightengale (Digital)
Would anyone have any info on these sites?
Thanks,
Joey
Hello all,
Just wondering is there a Viper system setup for Chowan and Pasquotank countys? I have looked under the trunking database but don't see it listed. However I went to the fcc database and did a search for frequencys and did find a trunking site for both. I have loaded the freqencys into my PSR500 and I am hearing traffic which sounds like NCHP and Nightengale (Digital)
Would anyone have any info on these sites?
Thanks,
Joey
Raleigh Location Control Channel 868.7875
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Raleigh, N.C.
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viper east
Joey, I don't have the frequency info but I can tell you that from extensive travel in that area NC SHP is almost 95% using viper in these areas as are numerous other agencies in the area, including the Outer Banks. I managed to only find a control channel 868.375 I THINK, I'm due back in that area soon and I should have more time for monitoring...
Flatshovel said:
Joey, I don't have the frequency info but I can tell you that from extensive travel in that area NC SHP is almost 95% using viper in these areas as are numerous other agencies in the area, including the Outer Banks. I managed to only find a control channel 868.375 I THINK, I'm due back in that area soon and I should have more time for monitoring...
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