2012-MOSWIN-Missouri Statewide Interop Network-Sites/Talkgroups

[scannerowner]

That's awesome Terry!! Excites me to see that... I'll let you know on confirmations as much as I can. Are the "Car" TGs going to be Car to Car channels??

 

[AC0RV]

Ste Genieve County, MO Site

Has anyone from Ste Gen recieved any data from the Lawrence site?

I am only recieving a Sound of a signal from one of CCs. But I have not recieved any Tower, Site Ids or orther data from it.

 

[scannerowner]

I picked up an ID on the Stanberry Tower, but not sure who... I'll listen some more to see. It was 6XXX that's all I remember.

 

[baretta29]

Tell me if this looks right
Control Channels
Stanberry 170.6000 SID:01CEh-0138
Tarkio 170.5125 SID:01CEh-0139
Oregon 169.775 SID:01CEh-0135
Oregon 170.5125 SID:01CEh-0139
Avalon 169.775 SID:01CEh-0135
Avalon 170.5125 SID:01CEh-0139
Massman/Indep 170.5125 SID:01CEh-0139

 

[scannerowner]

Stanberry Looks correct. Tarkio at 170.5125 looks correct, but not the others at Oregon and Avalon. 169.775 at Oregon looks correct, but not the other at Massman/Independence and Avalon.

What I look for when I hear a Control Channel is the Site Number which would be the last 4 digits of the SID and compare that with the database listing. For example, 170.600 SID:01CEh-0138 would be site 138 which is Oregon.

 

[hitechRadio]

Understanding Smartzone

Some people on here may benifit from reading this. Although it's refering to older version systems. And some of the components are not relevent anymore like the AMB switch. There is a lot more to the systems then he explains, but it will give you the basic knowledge of how the MOSWIN system works.

FON How a SmartZone system works

 

[scannerowner]

My wish has come true, Winston Site is Online, but not picking up as many bars as I would have thought!! Also the signal fades from 2-4 or 5 bars, guessing either interference or not fully optimized yet. Does it take them awhile before they optimize it at full power?? I'm only 10-15 miles away from the transmitter...

 

[talkpair]

Grimes (Carrollton) site

I think the information contained in the Grimes Mill site detail record needs to be moved to the Mansfield site details record. A review of the granted license WQOW656, as well as the pending application 0005256666 show no references to Grimes Mill.

According to the System Statewide Map, the Grimes AT site is in Carroll county.
A search of the American Tower site revels a tower named Grimes in Carroll county, just east of Carrollton. I'm guessing the Grimes tower name is derived from either a landowner or old town name.

Once the Grimes Mill record is vacated, I suggest changing the name to either Carrollton, or Grimes (Carrollton).
Change the county name to Carroll, and the coordinates to 39.386055, -93.309277.
At this point in time, it appears there are no licenses, or pending applications for this site.

Is it possible that either the Grimes site or the Mansfield site belong to the Unknown Location entry on the MOSWIN site list page?

 

[Starcom21]

Interesting...

My notes and thoughts...

Original submission (for site names) shows:
1-021 Grimes Troop A
3-016 (missing from list)

with no Carroll County location listed.

The only other issue is, is that is appears to be true that:
1CE 3 (3) 021 (15) MansfieldWright 161.95000c 171.67500a
1-021 is confirmed as above (Mansfield? not sure, no licenses or may be on the original Federal list)

If I as to move the currently listed Grimes freqs, the federal frequencies would not match up (170.38750 171.67500)

?

Any more ideas/notes?

Thanks
Terry

I think the information contained in the Grimes Mill site detail record needs to be moved to the Mansfield site details record. A review of the granted license WQOW656, as well as the pending application 0005256666 show no references to Grimes Mill.

According to the System Statewide Map, the Grimes AT site is in Carroll county.
A search of the American Tower site revels a tower named Grimes in Carroll county, just east of Carrollton. I'm guessing the Grimes tower name is derived from either a landowner or old town name.

Once the Grimes Mill record is vacated, I suggest changing the name to either Carrollton, or Grimes (Carrollton).
Change the county name to Carroll, and the coordinates to 39.386055, -93.309277.
At this point in time, it appears there are no licenses, or pending applications for this site.

Is it possible that either the Grimes site or the Mansfield site belong to the Unknown Location entry on the MOSWIN site list page?

 

[talkpair]

Any more ideas/notes?

For now.....leave things as-is....it can be dealt with IF/WHEN a license for Carroll county surfaces, or if anyone else has any ideas.

I'll defer to those with local knowledge.

 

[Starcom21]

New Application this week for Carroll County

1CE3 (3)016 (10)De Witt (Future**)Carroll151.43000155.61750156.22500

Also additional information added to other sites:
1CE1 (1)032 (20)Knox City (Future)Knox151.08500155.32500155.43750170.91250171.68750
1CE3 (3)013 (D)Shirley (on air 7/12)Washington154.99500155.79000165.07500a170.38750171.26250171.67500c

For now.....leave things as-is....it can be dealt with IF/WHEN a license for Carroll county surfaces, or if anyone else has any ideas.

I'll defer to those with local knowledge.

 

[talkpair]

Dearborn

Hearing yellow team testing on TG 20005 when monitoring the Dearborn site located near the troop A & H line.......170.91250c

 

[scannerowner]

Still makes me wonder why I can't hear anything for the Winston site?? I'm only 10 maybe 15 miles at best from it!! Why don't I have full signal???

 

[scannerowner]

In response to my last post, how far do we have to be away to pickup and decode a decent Control Channel?? 10.5 miles away from the transmitter would surely provide 4-5 bars constantly without fading out wouldn't it? The tower has a 360 degree beamwidth... I'm confused, somebody please explain!

 

[Imperial]

In response to my last post, how far do we have to be away to pickup and decode a decent Control Channel?? 10.5 miles away from the transmitter would surely provide 4-5 bars constantly without fading out wouldn't it? The tower has a 360 degree beamwidth... I'm confused, somebody please explain!

How many bars are you getting? With VHF Hi-Band, having your scanner near a computer (or certain other devices), particularly a high power computer can interfere with the signal, even to the point where you can't decode the control channel. The site may be on low power for now too.

 

[scannerowner]

How many bars are you getting? With VHF Hi-Band, having your scanner near a computer (or certain other devices), particularly a high power computer can interfere with the signal, even to the point where you can't decode the control channel. The site may be on low power for now too.

Ok great thanks! I don't have too much interference on the control channel, it is barely noticeable. I'm getting usually 2-3 and then sometimes nothing on the 996T which is near a computer, but then with my 396XT which is not near a computer I'm getting 0-1 bar. Plus the nearest (30 miles) 800 system I can pick up on the 396XT with not much problem (1-3 bars), but not the 996T. I also drove around and got hardly anything on the Control Channel on the 396XT when I was away from the interference problem. I'm hoping it's just that it's on low power. Why would they keep it on low power, wait for other frequencies to be licensed?!

 

[talkpair]

Why would they keep it on low power, wait for other frequencies to be licensed?

If in fact it's really on low power, it may just be a normal stage in a site's turn-up process.

The only other explanation I can think of is that maybe they might want to reduce the possibility of the testers in the adjacent Dearborn site from becoming affiliated with the Winston site.

 

[WA0CBW]

Put in many sites and never ran them at anything but what power level they were authorized for by the FCC. Never had any customers ask us to "turn down" the power. The equipment doesn't have a high low power switch. It is programed for a power level and it stays there. I would say something else is going on. At 800 Mhz propagation begins to become a factor at about 10 miles or more.

BB

 

[scannerowner]

Put in many sites and never ran them at anything but what power level they were authorized for by the FCC. Never had any customers ask us to "turn down" the power. The equipment doesn't have a high low power switch. It is programed for a power level and it stays there. I would say something else is going on. At 800 Mhz propagation begins to become a factor at about 10 miles or more.

BB

Well, they are licensed for 50 watts on the lower side and the highest is 100 watts, so I'm wondering if they've got it for the 50 watts, and then will boost the power to 100 watts when they get more frequencies associated with it as well as when they start testing it. Would that make sense?

 

[stlouisx50]

I don't know if this is the case with the Missouri System. But I saw some news about where another state switched over like Missouri is doing and many agencies were upset that they lost coverage in many areas that they once had no problem with . The same could be true for our system here.