2012-MOSWIN-Missouri Statewide Interop Network-Sites/Talkgroups

[scannerowner]

I've seen this go the other way as well. Sites start out with a decent signal and then when they are done aligning the antennas, the signal is unreadable. Granted, this is for some of the sites that are distant and I would have never expexted to hear them in the first place. Hearing them and being able to decode the control channels on several was just a bonus but several of the sites I could do that with are now barely audible. Could be conditions or could be a re-alignment of the sites antennas.

I'm only 10.5 miles away from the site, it may be alignment then. I know it's not conditions. It has started as a poor signal and I'm guessing will get better as the techs finish building it out...

 

[kruser]

Picking up a new site for my area this evening.
Pro96com shows it as 1CE with a tower ID of 329 with a control channel of 171.38750 and an alternate of 169.66250.

The database here shows this as New Hope in Lincoln County which is north of my location here in St. Louis. The database also has the CC and the Alternates reversed from what I'm seeing.
Signal is good and even my 996XT gets this site. Usually I need the sensitivity of a PSR600 for these distant Moswin sites.
No voice traffic and no voice channels logged at all.

Forgot to mention the adjacent site info for this tower.
This site is showing a neighbor of Hannibal with a tower ID of 326 on a CC of 171.67500.

Hannibal is a fair distance from New Hope (three counties north) which is easliy possible with the high tower sites plus the flatter land in the northern part of the state but it is still a fair distance for these two towers to be considered adjacent sites with one another.
Perhaps the database info is off for one or more of the sites.
I think the New Hope site I'm hearing is accurate as I receive analog signals from Lincoln county here all the time. Also, this site 329 is still just as strong this morning as it was when I first tuned it last evening. I think that would rule out any odd ground wave conditions.

 

[scannerowner]

If you look in the DB, it does show 329 as New Hope!

 

[kruser]

I'm only 10.5 miles away from the site, it may be alignment then. I know it's not conditions. It has started as a poor signal and I'm guessing will get better as the techs finish building it out...

Have you ever been able to decode the CC data using something like Pro96com on the Winston site?

It's very possible you are getting a CC from a whole other site several counties away although it seems you are using an indoor antenna so the chances are slim it is from a far away site.

Or you may have some interference or desense issues going on that is killing the front end of your radio.

I'm only about that distance (maybe 12 miles) from an 800 MHz site for the St. Louis City PD.
I only get one bar if lucky with an outdoor antenna like a discone. I must use a 12 element yagi to get enough signal from that site.
Then there is a site in St. Charles county that is even closer to my location. I can barely copy that site. They aim the antennas on the tower nearest my location towards the county or city center and that is not my direction. So I get a very low signal level from that site even though I'm only a few miles distance the way the crow flies.

I don't know what type of antennas the MOSWIN sites are using.
Does anyone have any info on site antennas for the system?
Or is it a mix of omni and directional antennas depending on the site?

If they are directional (I suspect many sites may be), then some users may be screwed if the aim is not directed towards them.
Of course there should be a site that does aim your direction if the nearest site does not.

 

[Scanning-NWA]

Cassville Site

Does anybody know what happened to the Cassville MOSWIN site in Southwest Missouri? It has been offline for weeks now. I used to hear testing on it and decoded its control channel on 161.825 MHz consistantly. I am currently picking up a new data signal on 161.9125 MHz but it will NOT decode as a control channel on my Bearcat BCD996XT. The signal strengh on 161.9125 MHz is the same as what 161.825 MHz used to be making me think that is a Cassville data signal. I have been decoding, and still am, the Pineville and Granby MOSWIN sites since they originally came on the air this past Summer from where I live in Northwest Arkansas.

 

[scannerowner]

Have you ever been able to decode the CC data using something like Pro96com on the Winston site?

It's very possible you are getting a CC from a whole other site several counties away although it seems you are using an indoor antenna so the chances are slim it is from a far away site.

Or you may have some interference or desense issues going on that is killing the front end of your radio.

I'm only about that distance (maybe 12 miles) from an 800 MHz site for the St. Louis City PD.
I only get one bar if lucky with an outdoor antenna like a discone. I must use a 12 element yagi to get enough signal from that site.
Then there is a site in St. Charles county that is even closer to my location. I can barely copy that site. They aim the antennas on the tower nearest my location towards the county or city center and that is not my direction. So I get a very low signal level from that site even though I'm only a few miles distance the way the crow flies.

I don't know what type of antennas the MOSWIN sites are using.
Does anyone have any info on site antennas for the system?
Or is it a mix of omni and directional antennas depending on the site?

If they are directional (I suspect many sites may be), then some users may be screwed if the aim is not directed towards them.
Of course there should be a site that does aim your direction if the nearest site does not.

I'm just using the stock rubber duckie antenna. Surprisingly there's an 800 site about 20 miles away for me, and I get it with 1-3 bars. I also pickup a MOSWIN Site that is 20 miles away with 2 bars also. I'm contemplating getting a RS Telescoping Antenna, if the tower does not work! The Winston Site has 360 degree beamwidth on it, if that makes a difference.

 

[KC0CSE]

it works for me.....

 

[scannerowner]

it works for me.....

On MOSWIN Sites?? How good is your reception??

 

[KC0CSE]

great reception...both on P-25 & Analog....tried it this weekend....staying with it and not the 800meg at this time....I think they have "tweeked" the system...less distortion...

 

[kruser]

I'm just using the stock rubber duckie antenna. Surprisingly there's an 800 site about 20 miles away for me, and I get it with 1-3 bars. I also pickup a MOSWIN Site that is 20 miles away with 2 bars also. I'm contemplating getting a RS Telescoping Antenna, if the tower does not work! The Winston Site has 360 degree beamwidth on it, if that makes a difference.

The 360 degree beamwidth is good. You should have no problems unless you are getting desense or interference from something in your home.

Which MOSWIN site is the one 20 miles out that you can copy?

I wish I had the time to drive around the state and visit some of these new sites. I used to do that when I was young many years ago.
I was off work on Monday's only so I'd set out on long distance road trips across the state.
The first was to Taum Sauk Mountain as it is the highest point in the state. I found all kinds of interesting things there including an FAA site that was visible through the woods after I climbed a fire tower. It was actually very near the fire tower but all the antennas were low to the ground so you would never see the facility. It had all kinds of scary warning signs posted on the fence surrounding the facility.

I wonder if MOSWIN has any sites on that mountain top. I've not been out there in years.

 

[scannerowner]

I'm picking up the Lawson Site, the 996T with the stock antenna gets 5 bars most of the time. Interference is present, but when I drive somewhere, the signal drops to nearly nothing oddly. I think once they're done with tweaking it, I will have no problems.

 

[KC0CSE]

Lawson site

I'm picking up the Lawson Site, the 996T with the stock antenna gets 5 bars most of the time. Interference is present, but when I drive somewhere, the signal drops to nearly nothing oddly. I think once they're done with tweaking it, I will have no problems.

not picking them up....I'm 108th and north oak ...I wonder if I should be?....are they active?....and using ...or are you just getting bar's??

 

[scannerowner]

I'm getting 5 bars on the 996T and not as many on the 396XT. You may have interference issues or something?! I can't receive the Dearborn site at all.

 

[BigC801]

not picking them up....I'm 108th and north oak ...I wonder if I should be?....are they active?....and using ...or are you just getting bar's??

I am at 108th and 435, I get full bars and about 90% decode on Lawson site, during the week they have been active testing.

 

[kruser]

Picking up a new site for my area this evening.
Pro96com shows it as 1CE with a tower ID of 329 with a control channel of 171.38750 and an alternate of 169.66250.

The database here shows this as New Hope in Lincoln County which is north of my location here in St. Louis. The database also has the CC and the Alternates reversed from what I'm seeing.
Signal is good and even my 996XT gets this site. Usually I need the sensitivity of a PSR600 for these distant Moswin sites.
No voice traffic and no voice channels logged at all.

Picking up voice talk and testing this morning between Troob B & C radios on the New Hope site as quoted above.
Talkgroups have been 5 & 7 with affiliations from Troop B and Troop C radios.
The voice channel has been 169.88750 which also shows as New Hope so I'm confident that this is New Hope I'm hearing.

Blue Team setting up for testing was heard on TG 5 and a female dispatcher asking for a check was heard on TG 7.

edit: very active testing now with Blue Team 474 and a 3xx user.
edit: the P25 decode is very good from this site. Very clear with no decode errors. I wish they would load the system a bit more so more of the voice channels would go active. The other voice channels fall in the 152.xxx paging band and I'd like to see if my 152 PAR filter is too strong and will block reception when those channels go active.
The New Hope site is about 40 miles NW of me the way the crow flies I figure.
Now hearing Yellow team testing.

I will say one thing, the audio sounds MUCH better on a 996XT over a PSR600.
I'm using the PSR600 for decoding the CC with Pro96com and the 996XT for listening to the system.

 

[khphighwayman]

Radio shack scanner

not picking them up....I'm 108th and north oak ...I wonder if I should be?....are they active?....and using ...or are you just getting bar's??

That scanner youre using in the picture is most likely your problem. I owned that radio shack scanner as well as the portable version. pro-106 and pro-197. Both scanners are worthless in the 150-170 mhz range. totally worthless. Both scanners would display full bars of nothingness. no signal no nothing. the problem with these scanners are that they are overly sensitive in that range. as well as vhf lowband. they did great for receiving 800 mhz but vhf stuff....forget about it unless youre on top of the signal. I sold both mine and bought a uniden 996xt. No signal bars at all in the same ranges. except when youre actually receiving the signal. Im sure your scanner is very dead in that range with you being in kc where its overloaded with vhf intermod. I love my uniden. i can monitor the new Nebraska P25 system alot of times with my outdoor discone. a good 65 mile shot to the tower from my house. my work scanner is also the radio shack pro-197. same issue. shows massive amounts of interference on the signal bar. even with the atten turned on. just dead in that vhf range.

 

[KC0CSE]

PRO 197 & PRO 106 Deaf? on VHF MOSWIN?

is any one other than me with there 197 and 106 having this problem?...would like to here from my PRO 197 & PRO 106 users......this is new to me....

PRO 106
PRO 197

 

[Imperial]

Does anybody know what happened to the Cassville MOSWIN site in Southwest Missouri? It has been offline for weeks now. I used to hear testing on it and decoded its control channel on 161.825 MHz consistantly. I am currently picking up a new data signal on 161.9125 MHz but it will NOT decode as a control channel on my Bearcat BCD996XT. The signal strengh on 161.9125 MHz is the same as what 161.825 MHz used to be making me think that is a Cassville data signal. I have been decoding, and still am, the Pineville and Granby MOSWIN sites since they originally came on the air this past Summer from where I live in Northwest Arkansas.

The Cassville site went back online today after being off for a couple of months.

 

[BigC801]

is any one other than me with there 197 and 106 having this problem?...would like to here from my PRO 197 & PRO 106 users......this is new to me....

PRO 106
PRO 197

I have my Pro 197 and my uniden 996xt hooked up to the same antenna, my 996 will decode St Joe tower and my 197 will not

 

[rescue903]

Dayton Site 118

The Dayton Site is now on the air.

155.445 C. Ch.
154.905 Alt. Ch.
154.755 Voice Ch.

Both Troup D & Troup A are currently doing Zone testing on it this morning.