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AC0RV

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I am afraid I do not know. Been looking for some audio files and UIDs for the SE MO area. So that I can help ID the TGIDs and UIDs for that area. They need come to from any #36hps, SDS#s or any TRX #s.
 

wbloss

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They are all the TGs on the new ZOne 4 800MHz site 0 they are transferring over from the Springfield/Greene Co 800Hz old Moto system
 

drbeede

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Unfortunately that map book is several years old and there are a lot more sites now.
yeah I figured it was, but still may be of use to some to kinda give an idea of how the network is spread out and such, just trying to be helpful for anyone who doesn't have a clue about the layout and agencies using it, even though as you pointed out lots more sites have been added to the system. I actually submitted a freedom of information act request for all sites, talkgroups, and agencies currently using the MOSWIN system, if and when I get that I'll be sharing with everyone. :)
 

wbigcount

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So I stumbled onto Site 1.87, Not sure of location yet but I pick it up near Mosby, Wood Heights and Orrick.


Site: 1.87 NAC=1C3 BSI=WPTZ785

Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-1.14 ; Aullville Lafayette Co
Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-1.24 ; Massman Jackson Co
Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-1.52 ; Holden Johnson Co
Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-1.68 ; Richmond 700
Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-1.86

Channel 1-1148: 769.18125 CC
Channel 1-1188: 769.43125 SCC
Channel 1-1228: 769.68125 VOICE
Channel 1-1268: 769.93125 VOICE
Channel 1-1308: 770.18125 VOICE
Channel 1-1348: 770.43125 BSI
 

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Site: 1.86 NAC=1C3 BSI=WPTZ785

Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-1.14 ; Aullville Lafayette Co
Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-1.18 ; Dayton/Aaron Bates Co
Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-1.24 ; Massman Jackson Co
Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-1.52 ; Holden Johnson Co

Channel 1-1146: 769.16875 CC
Channel 1-1186: 769.41875 SCC
Channel 1-1226: 769.66875 VOICE
Channel 1-1266: 769.91875 VOICE
Channel 1-1306: 770.16875 VOICE
Channel 1-1346: 770.41875 BSI
 

nd5y

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So I stumbled onto Site 1.87, Not sure of location yet but I pick it up near Mosby, Wood Heights and Orrick.
Site: 1.87 NAC=1C3 BSI=WPTZ785
Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-1.86
It also has an unknown neighbor.

Any chance one of them could be a few miles SE of Lees Summit? They built a new tower there and moved the Troop A low band station. It might have a 700 site too by now.
 

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It also has an unknown neighbor.

Any chance one of them could be a few miles SE of Lees Summit? They built a new tower there and moved the Troop A low band station. It might have a 700 site too by now.
I posted the 1.86 Data, Its hard to tell, next week Ill drive south and see what I pick up

Also 1.87 was carrying Troop A Dispatch 2 Traffic
 
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nd5y

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Based on the nieghbor locations I would say 1-87 might be near Odessa and 1-86 might be Lees Summit, but they both should have more neighbors than that.
 

talkpair

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Site: 1.86 NAC=1C3 BSI=WPTZ785

Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-1.14 ; Aullville Lafayette Co
Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-1.18 ; Dayton/Aaron Bates Co
Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-1.24 ; Massman Jackson Co
Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-1.52 ; Holden Johnson Co

Channel 1-1146: 769.16875 CC
Channel 1-1186: 769.41875 SCC
Channel 1-1226: 769.66875 VOICE
Channel 1-1266: 769.91875 VOICE
Channel 1-1306: 770.16875 VOICE
Channel 1-1346: 770.41875 BSI
My findings were pretty much the same for site 186 with the following exceptions:

NAC = 1CB
Site 114 / Aullville is NOT a neighbor
Site 187 / Unknown site IS a neighbor.

Talkgroups seen using site 186: 20005, 20007, 28003

I am unable to receive site 187 at the moment.
 

wbloss

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Good catches!
New Site 86 uses the "standard Template b" the same as Zone 1 sites 59, 60, 62, 64, 65, 68, 72, and Zone 3 sites 41, 42, & 49
New SIte 87 uses the "standard template c" and apparently is the first occurrence of it.
More re the 700MHz MoHWP usage here: MOSWIN 700MH site template study
 

kruser

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Good catches!
New Site 86 uses the "standard Template b" the same as Zone 1 sites 59, 60, 62, 64, 65, 68, 72, and Zone 3 sites 41, 42, & 49
New SIte 87 uses the "standard template c" and apparently is the first occurrence of it.
More re the 700MHz MoHWP usage here: MOSWIN 700MH site template study
Site 3-35 (St. Clair 700) is a template D site if you want to add that one. It's listed correctly in the Moswin DB here. I personally verified it when it changed from template G to it's current D template.

I also verified 3-45 is correct as a template G site which is how you have it listed in your spreadsheet.
Sites 3-35 and 3-45 were both originally template G sites even though both could be easily heard at the same time in areas between the two sites.
When 3-45 (Washington, MO) came online, it was a template G site in the DB here which was the same as site 3-35 was.
They later changed 3-35 from template G to D not very long after 3-45 came online. Most likely due to their proximity with each other I'd imagine.
I found spots where you could receive both sites which probably didn't work out so well when both 3-35 and 3-45 were using template G frequencies.

So add 3-35 as a Template D site.
You already have 3-45 correctly listed correctly as a template G site.
 

wbloss

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Site 3-35 (St. Clair 700) is a template D site if you want to add that one. It's listed correctly in the Moswin DB here. I personally verified it when it changed from template G to it's current D template.

I also verified 3-45 is correct as a template G site which is how you have it listed in your spreadsheet.
Sites 3-35 and 3-45 were both originally template G sites even though both could be easily heard at the same time in areas between the two sites.
When 3-45 (Washington, MO) came online, it was a template G site in the DB here which was the same as site 3-35 was.
They later changed 3-35 from template G to D not very long after 3-45 came online. Most likely due to their proximity with each other I'd imagine.
I found spots where you could receive both sites which probably didn't work out so well when both 3-35 and 3-45 were using template G frequencies.

So add 3-35 as a Template D site.
You already have 3-45 correctly listed correctly as a template G site.
Good stuff - done!
Thanks
w
 

talkpair

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I can't help with site 187.....at least from my home.

With only 12.5 KHz separation between those two control channels, my GRE just doesn't have the selectivity to reject site 186.
 

wbloss

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Often the ALt cc will just work for a short time then back to the primary - how long was it up and was the "other" cc not buzzing?
 

stoweb

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For the greene county system (Springfield 800). On simulcast systems do you typically have multiple control channels?
Once the migration is complete there will be a total of 18 channels on seven sites across greene county.
 

wbloss

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We are talking about the Zone 4 MOSWIN site, which is being constructed using from the former M36 frequencies in the old Greene/Springfield system.
If in fact there are 7 locations to the simo site that means only one control channel on all 7 at the same time. The 7 locations all act as one transmitting the same audio on the same frequency at the exact same time. SImo -= simultaneous = all at once. It is made to work with a master clock reference that keeps them all on EXACTLY the same freq and transmitting the same audio at EXACTLY the same time - really quite a feat, and who many non IQ receivers (anything but SDS100,200) have troubles receiving simos.
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