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2067 and low-pass discriminator

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Anyone know if the 2067 has a low-pass discriminator like the 780? I'd like to start using some of the LTRtrunk utilities, but don't have a 780, or a 296/796 etc - only bearcat for me is a 245.

-Lb
 

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Update: I did a bit more work to determine if the signal at pin 21 of the MX805 is useful for subaudible decoding. The signal is a pulse train with amplitude of 0 to 5 volts but it needs a MAX232 to drive a serial port. To activate the MX805 the channel must be set to PL, DPL, LT, or MOT. In the other modes the chip is disabled. The signal looked clean on the scope and will probably be suitable for use with the LTR analysis/tracking programs.

To get to the tap point the logic board must be removed and a wire soldered to R367. With apologies for the size of the file and the poor photography, the attached picture shows where to connect the tap.
 

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Could I possibly drive this with a TL082 op-amp hamcom interface (my legacy 2-level interface for trunker), vs the MAX level-convertor solution?

Also, is it the red wire in the center of the pic?
 

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The tap point is the red wire in the center of the picture.

Your slicer should provide a quick way to get started. If the decoding accuracy is low you might try raising the 100K resistor at the input to 470K. This will reduce the loading on the radio and improve the low frequency response of the slicer which is important for LTR.

I'd be interested to hear if this set-up works well for you.
 

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I'll try to tackle this sometime this week.

Thanks for taking the initial step with the scope to see if this is feasible... I'll report back this week with updates.

-LB
 

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blantonl said:
I'll try to tackle this sometime this week.

Thanks for taking the initial step with the scope to see if this is feasible... I'll report back this week with updates.

-LB

Right out of the box, with my existing TL slicer... this is working perfectly with 100% decode rates.

Outstanding!!!!
 

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Hello,

I was thinking of getting a MX05 or two for a standalone decoder.

You are going to find the LTR scene around San Antonio interesting.
http://www.radioreference.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=10074
http://www.radioreference.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=10461

Industrial Communications has a multi-site Passport system that may be a mixed Passport/Regular LTR system. Only some of the Regular LTR sites are in the TRSDB.

Hope your harmonic is doing well.

73 Eric
 

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I can confirm that Industrial indeed has a mixed Passport/Regular LTR system. It is crazy...!

Plus, we've got one system that "seems" to be a passport, yet, doesn't display anything on the 'ole trunker screen -- the spinner spins, yet nothing seems to be decoded.

More details to follow, I'm just now trying to get to the bottom of this. There are a number of networks here that we are trying to get a handle on.
 

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Hello,

On the system that is just spinning see what the ltrdump.txt log says when you run LTRDump on it. I tend to use LTRDump to figure stuff out first because I am still in "capture the data so I can figure this stuff out" mode.

Some of the check stuff are guesses so if the system uses a Digital Color Code (like the area bit) of 2 or 3 it may not work right. I also found LTRDump will not display the group 65535 which is used for CW ID. You may also find some Multinet packets mixed in which are not valid. I am fixing the problems and trying to make the type detection better.

I would be interested in some logs of mixed passport/regular LTR activity because this would be the first known system. I am wondering if the Passport and Regular LTR packets are interleaved. If so I can add some additional code to the program to handle it. The LTRDump display would be confusing if it was interleaved.

The Passport system in CT is all passport but it could be I am not listening on the right frequencies.

If someone could find Passport outside of 450 to 470 band that would be a plus as well. I need to see if the frequency band information is encoded in the data from the system.

Still alot of stuff to figure out.

73 Eric
 

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The stuff off to the right connects to a board that forces the radio to power up in scan mode. There is a zip file on my webpage that shows all the details.
 

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Eric

Have your managed to get LTRtrunk working OK - I tried running it when it first came out but it was "buggy" and I didn't perserve with it.

I am already running Opus' Ltrunk.exe programme with no problems on the low-pass discriminator on my 780 (with help from Opus).


Grant
 

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Regular LTR with the Optocom

I have been somewhat successfull with LTRTrunk on a local 8 frequency Regular LTR multi-user system. Using the Optocom's stand alone memory operation I loaded all 8 frequencies and set it up for scan. After a few days I have over 300 talkgroups listed in the GRP file, but no radio id's file is created. Do I have it set up correctly? As it looks, Regular LTR systems have only home repeaters that are assigned to a LCN, so data bursts come from each home repeater and not one controller/frequency.
Shouldn't I see individual radio id's as well? The talkgroups also range above and below the home repeater number. The Area code is 0, Sys info:

Any thoughts :?: :roll:

MAP=55555555
OPTIONS=nVDF
PLAN=0
DESCR=LTR Regular
THRESHOLD=50
DISPOSITION=fvlxsr
v860.0125,2,ffff,28d
v854.6375,5,ffff,74
v859.0125,6,ffff,490
v858.0125,a,ffff,380c
v852.6625,d,ffff,1fe5
v857.0125,e,ffff,7465
v851.3875,f,ffff,d0
v856.0125,12,ffff,58d

;VER=3
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191d,7,0,"?",41083e1e,1,0,6429,25-029 191D,07/28/2004,20:00
192c,7,0,"?",40ff3fe9,1,0,6444,25-044 192C,07/22/2004,00:17
1931,7,0,"?",4103360b,2,0,6449,25-049 1931,07/25/2004,00:24
194b,7,0,"?",40fdc57f,1,0,6475,25-075 194B,07/20/2004,21:23
1969,7,0,"?",40ffc9fd,1,0,6505,25-105 1969,07/22/2004,10:06
1977,7,0,"?",4100849f,1,0,6519,25-119 1977,07/22/2004,23:23
1982,7,0,"?",4105e186,1,0,6530,25-130 1982,07/27/2004,01:00
1984,7,0,"?",4102143e,1,0,6532,25-132 1984,07/24/2004,03:48
198c,7,0,"?",40fef5a9,1,0,6540,25-140 198C,07/21/2004,19:00
1997,7,0,"?",410823ba,1,0,6551,25-151 1997,07/28/2004,18:07
19aa,7,0,"?",41080df6,1,0,6570,25-170 19AA,07/28/2004,16:35
19c5,7,0,"?",41074d32,1,0,6597,25-197 19C5,07/28/2004,02:52
19e4,7,0,"?",40fe01cc,1,0,6628,25-228 19E4,07/21/2004,01:40
1a09,7,0,"?",410899be,1,0,6665,26-009 1A09,07/29/2004,02:31
1a10,7,0,"?",4107d8a4,1,0,6672,26-016 1A10,07/28/2004,12:47
1a11,7,0,"?",40feb51f,1,0,6673,26-017 1A11,07/21/2004,14:25
1a16,7,0,"?",40ffb0d9,1,0,6678,26-022 1A16,07/22/2004,08:19
1a2b,7,0,"?",410241e5,1,0,6699,26-043 1A2B,07/24/2004,07:03
1a2c,7,0,"?",40fe7c81,1,0,6700,26-044 1A2C,07/21/2004,10:24
1a2d,7,0,"?",40febc8f,1,0,6701,26-045 1A2D,07/21/2004,14:57
1a2e,7,0,"?",40fe8cb8,1,0,6702,26-046 1A2E,07/21/2004,11:33
1a31,7,0,"?",4107f146,3,0,6705,26-049 1A31,07/28/2004,14:32
1a39,7,0,"?",4106b0c3,1,0,6713,26-057 1A39,07/27/2004,15:45
1a49,7,0,"?",4100e7a1,1,0,6729,26-073 1A49,07/23/2004,06:25
1a52,7,0,"?",4106bc66,2,0,6738,26-082 1A52,07/27/2004,16:34
1a55,7,0,"?",40feb19a,1,0,6741,26-085 1A55,07/21/2004,14:10
1a59,7,0,"?",41069198,1,0,6745,26-089 1A59,07/27/2004,13:32
1a5b,7,0,"?",4107f97e,1,0,6747,26-091 1A5B,07/28/2004,15:07
1a5e,7,0,"?",410802fc,1,0,6750,26-094 1A5E,07/28/2004,15:48
1a62,7,0,"?",41076bd2,1,0,6754,26-098 1A62,07/28/2004,05:03
1a71,7,0,"?",41080612,1,0,6769,26-113 1A71,07/28/2004,16:01
1a75,7,0,"?",4108408e,1,0,6773,26-117 1A75,07/28/2004,20:10
1a82,7,0,"?",4106498b,1,0,6786,26-130 1A82,07/27/2004,08:24
1a83,7,0,"?",40ff898a,1,0,6787,26-131 1A83,07/22/2004,05:31
1a90,7,0,"?",40ff3fc9,1,0,6800,26-144 1A90,07/22/2004,00:17
1a9c,7,0,"?",4105fb1b,1,0,6812,26-156 1A9C,07/27/2004,02:50
1aa1,7,0,"?",4107cc78,2,0,6817,26-161 1AA1,07/28/2004,11:55
1ab4,7,0,"?",40fe55c2,1,0,6836,26-180 1AB4,07/21/2004,07:38
1acd,7,0,"?",4108bb70,1,0,6861,26-205 1ACD,07/29/2004,04:55
1acf,7,0,"?",4103b06c,1,0,6863,26-207 1ACF,07/25/2004,09:06
1af1,7,0,"?",41082760,3,0,6897,26-241 1AF1,07/28/2004,18:23
1af9,7,0,"?",41080bf3,1,0,6905,26-249 1AF9,07/28/2004,16:26
1b00,7,0,"?",40ff24c6,1,0,6912,27-000 1B00,07/21/2004,22:21
1b0a,7,0,"?",4108bcb6,1,0,6922,27-010 1B0A,07/29/2004,05:00
1b0d,7,0,"?",4100980b,1,0,6925,27-013 1B0D,07/23/2004,00:46
1b23,7,0,"?",4105eade,1,0,6947,27-035 1B23,07/27/2004,01:40
1b31,7,0,"?",41019979,1,0,6961,27-049 1B31,07/23/2004,19:04
1b38,7,0,"?",41001f74,1,0,6968,27-056 1B38,07/22/2004,16:11
1b56,7,0,"?",40fdcaa5,1,0,6998,27-086 1B56,07/20/2004,21:45
1b67,7,0,"?",4107855f,1,0,7015,27-103 1B67,07/28/2004,06:52
1b90,7,0,"?",4101f7d0,1,0,7056,27-144 1B90,07/24/2004,01:46
1bad,7,0,"?",410076a2,1,0,7085,27-173 1BAD,07/22/2004,22:23
1bb4,7,0,"?",4102337d,1,0,7092,27-180 1BB4,07/24/2004,06:01
1c02,7,0,"?",4100eb71,1,0,7170,28-002 1C02,07/23/2004,06:41
1c07,7,0,"?",410397a5,1,0,7175,28-007 1C07,07/25/2004,07:21
1c0c,7,0,"?",40ff7d24,1,0,7180,28-012 1C0C,07/22/2004,04:39
1c14,7,0,"?",4101159a,1,0,7188,28-020 1C14,07/23/2004,09:41
1c2d,7,0,"?",4107fb49,1,0,7213,28-045 1C2D,07/28/2004,15:15
1c4c,7,0,"?",41063d5f,1,0,7244,28-076 1C4C,07/27/2004,07:32
1c4e,7,0,"?",40fe6454,1,0,7246,28-078 1C4E,07/21/2004,08:40
1c5b,7,0,"?",41086306,1,0,7259,28-091 1C5B,07/28/2004,22:37
1c66,7,0,"?",41080691,1,0,7270,28-102 1C66,07/28/2004,16:03
1c8a,7,0,"?",41075e7d,1,0,7306,28-138 1C8A,07/28/2004,04:06
1c8f,7,0,"?",40ff2e87,1,0,7311,28-143 1C8F,07/21/2004,23:03
1cad,7,0,"?",41031faf,1,0,7341,28-173 1CAD,07/24/2004,22:49
1caf,7,0,"?",40fe8d9e,1,0,7343,28-175 1CAF,07/21/2004,11:37
1cb5,7,0,"?",4106f58f,2,0,7349,28-181 1CB5,07/27/2004,20:38
1cc6,7,0,"?",4107a795,1,0,7366,28-198 1CC6,07/28/2004,09:18
1ccb,7,0,"?",40ff9be9,1,0,7371,28-203 1CCB,07/22/2004,06:50
1cd7,7,0,"?",41081da5,1,0,7383,28-215 1CD7,07/28/2004,17:41
1cdd,7,0,"?",41011879,1,0,7389,28-221 1CDD,07/23/2004,09:54
1d01,7,0,"?",4106b231,1,0,7425,29-001 1D01,07/27/2004,15:51
1d15,7,0,"?",410377e7,1,0,7445,29-021 1D15,07/25/2004,05:05
1d2a,7,0,"?",410632ea,1,0,7466,29-042 1D2A,07/27/2004,06:48
1d40,7,0,"?",4106a9fc,1,0,7488,29-064 1D40,07/27/2004,15:16
1d4c,7,0,"?",4102555d,1,0,7500,29-076 1D4C,07/24/2004,08:26
1d58,7,0,"?",410259c1,1,0,7512,29-088 1D58,07/24/2004,08:44
1d59,7,0,"?",4105e151,1,0,7513,29-089 1D59,07/27/2004,01:00
1d68,7,0,"?",40ffde18,1,0,7528,29-104 1D68,07/22/2004,11:32
1d9e,7,0,"?",41067f9b,1,0,7582,29-158 1D9E,07/27/2004,12:15
1da4,7,0,"?",40ff7252,1,0,7588,29-164 1DA4,07/22/2004,03:52
1dbc,7,0,"?",41062113,1,0,7612,29-188 1DBC,07/27/2004,05:32
1dc0,7,0,"?",41074e2e,1,0,7616,29-192 1DC0,07/28/2004,02:56
1dd4,7,0,"?",4103aca2,1,0,7636,29-212 1DD4,07/25/2004,08:50
1e00,7,0,"?",4106bbc4,2,0,7680,30-000 1E00,07/27/2004,16:32
1e01,7,0,"?",4106501d,1,0,7681,30-001 1E01,07/27/2004,08:52
1e05,7,0,"?",40fe7e9f,1,0,7685,30-005 1E05,07/21/2004,10:33
1e0d,7,0,"?",40fead58,1,0,7693,30-013 1E0D,07/21/2004,13:52
1e14,7,0,"?",410844a5,1,0,7700,30-020 1E14,07/28/2004,20:28
1e21,7,0,"?",40fffe71,1,0,7713,30-033 1E21,07/22/2004,13:50
1e24,7,0,"?",41022416,2,0,7716,30-036 1E24,07/24/2004,04:55
1e25,7,0,"?",410813d3,3,0,7717,30-037 1E25,07/28/2004,17:00
1e28,7,0,"?",4106f0a8,1,0,7720,30-040 1E28,07/27/2004,20:17
1e2d,7,0,"?",40fecca3,1,0,7725,30-045 1E2D,07/21/2004,16:05
1e30,7,0,"?",410372de,2,0,7728,30-048 1E30,07/25/2004,04:44
1e3d,7,0,"?",40ffcebb,1,0,7741,30-061 1E3D,07/22/2004,10:27
1e40,7,0,"?",4100b522,1,0,7744,30-064 1E40,07/23/2004,02:50
1e4c,7,0,"?",40ffc0fa,1,0,7756,30-076 1E4C,07/22/2004,09:28
1e50,7,0,"?",40ffcf63,1,0,7760,30-080 1E50,07/22/2004,10:29
1e56,7,0,"?",4101489f,2,0,7766,30-086 1E56,07/23/2004,13:19
1e5e,7,0,"?",4107e93a,2,0,7774,30-094 1E5E,07/28/2004,13:58
1e76,7,0,"?",4107c126,1,0,7798,30-118 1E76,07/28/2004,11:07
1e7d,7,0,"?",410804bb,1,0,7805,30-125 1E7D,07/28/2004,15:55
1e7f,7,0,"?",410633d3,1,0,7807,30-127 1E7F,07/27/2004,06:52
1e84,7,0,"?",410230c2,1,0,7812,30-132 1E84,07/24/2004,05:49
1eac,7,0,"?",410595f6,1,0,7852,30-172 1EAC,07/26/2004,19:38
1eaf,7,0,"?",41039be1,1,0,7855,30-175 1EAF,07/25/2004,07:39
1ed9,7,0,"?",41073a51,1,0,7897,30-217 1ED9,07/28/2004,01:32
1efa,7,0,"?",41003f5e,1,0,7930,30-250 1EFA,07/22/2004,18:27
1efb,7,0,"?",410385b9,1,0,7931,30-251 1EFB,07/25/2004,06:04
1f1e,7,0,"?",40fe66ff,1,0,7966,31-030 1F1E,07/21/2004,08:52
1f2a,7,0,"?",4108a7ca,1,0,7978,31-042 1F2A,07/29/2004,03:31
1f2f,7,0,"?",4106b40c,1,0,7983,31-047 1F2F,07/27/2004,15:59
1f33,7,0,"?",4103b6f7,1,0,7987,31-051 1F33,07/25/2004,09:34
1f44,7,0,"?",4107652f,1,0,8004,31-068 1F44,07/28/2004,04:34
1f64,7,0,"?",40fea872,1,0,8036,31-100 1F64,07/21/2004,13:31
1f6f,7,0,"?",410122a6,1,0,8047,31-111 1F6F,07/23/2004,10:37
1f87,7,0,"?",41069fb2,1,0,8071,31-135 1F87,07/27/2004,14:32
1f8a,7,0,"?",41008ea8,1,0,8074,31-138 1F8A,07/23/2004,00:06
1fa1,7,0,"?",40ff40e6,1,0,8097,31-161 1FA1,07/22/2004,00:21
 

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So what are the talkgroups that are not connected to a home repeater? i.e. 0-0-013, 0-31-161, or 0-1-000.
 

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Bad data. The checksum in LTR is not foolproof by a long shot. Id's beginning with 0 and those beginning with numbers above 20 are always invalid. Id's that do not match any of the system LCN's are also invalid. Bad talkgroups tend to only show one or two hits. Those that are valid will show multiple hits over time. Much of the list you posted shows invalid talkgroups.

This is what remains of your list once invalid LCN groups and those with fewer than three hits are removed.

Code:
0239,7,0,"?",41001aec,3,0,569, 2-057 0239,07/22/2004,15:52 
025e,7,0,"?",4107e8b0,3,0,606, 2-094 025E,07/28/2004,13:56 
0625,7,0,"?",4106c785,3,0,1573, 6-037 0625,07/27/2004,17:22 
065e,7,0,"?",4106aaa9,3,0,1630, 6-094 065E,07/27/2004,15:19 
0a01,7,0,"?",41082555,6,0,2561,10-001 0A01,07/28/2004,18:14 
0a05,7,0,"?",410285b7,3,0,2565,10-005 0A05,07/24/2004,11:52 
0a25,7,0,"?",410650d3,4,0,2597,10-037 0A25,07/27/2004,08:55 
0a2e,7,0,"?",4107f65b,2a,0,2606,10-046 0A2E,07/28/2004,14:54 
0a31,7,0,"?",41082848,2bf,0,2609,10-049 0A31,07/28/2004,18:27 
0a32,7,0,"?",4107f0a4,3,0,2610,10-050 0A32,07/28/2004,14:29 
0a39,7,0,"?",41001f5d,3,0,2617,10-057 0A39,07/22/2004,16:11 
0a43,7,0,"?",410803e2,53,0,2627,10-067 0A43,07/28/2004,15:52 
0a55,7,0,"?",41015c47,3,0,2645,10-085 0A55,07/23/2004,14:43 
0a56,7,0,"?",41080f1c,40,0,2646,10-086 0A56,07/28/2004,16:39 
0a65,7,0,"?",4108d3a5,d2,0,2661,10-101 0A65,07/29/2004,06:38 
0aaa,7,0,"?",4108215b,4a,0,2730,10-170 0AAA,07/28/2004,17:57 
0af9,7,0,"?",410811b9,60,0,2809,10-249 0AF9,07/28/2004,16:51 
0afa,7,0,"?",41067c84,c,0,2810,10-250 0AFA,07/27/2004,12:02 
0d50,7,0,"?",4108ab51,24f,0,3408,13-080 0D50,07/29/2004,03:46 
0d51,7,0,"?",4101577d,3,0,3409,13-081 0D51,07/23/2004,14:22 
0d52,7,0,"?",4106a6ae,3,0,3410,13-082 0D52,07/27/2004,15:02 
0d64,7,0,"?",4107d153,103,0,3428,13-100 0D64,07/28/2004,12:16 
0d76,7,0,"?",4106d2ef,3,0,3446,13-118 0D76,07/27/2004,18:10 
0e23,7,0,"?",4108096f,108,0,3619,14-035 0E23,07/28/2004,16:15 
0e24,7,0,"?",4106a3e9,9,0,3620,14-036 0E24,07/27/2004,14:50 
0e25,7,0,"?",4108124f,2bf,0,3621,14-037 0E25,07/28/2004,16:53 
0e27,7,0,"?",4107c75c,4,0,3623,14-039 0E27,07/28/2004,11:33 
0e29,7,0,"?",410787d5,e,0,3625,14-041 0E29,07/28/2004,07:02 
0e2d,7,0,"?",4108367e,1fd,0,3629,14-045 0E2D,07/28/2004,19:27 
0e31,7,0,"?",4107f1ed,6,0,3633,14-049 0E31,07/28/2004,14:35 
0e33,7,0,"?",4107ffb6,b1,0,3635,14-051 0E33,07/28/2004,15:34 
0e3d,7,0,"?",4107ed64,3,0,3645,14-061 0E3D,07/28/2004,14:16 
0e40,7,0,"?",410802c9,e,0,3648,14-064 0E40,07/28/2004,15:47 
0e44,7,0,"?",41080b4d,a9,0,3652,14-068 0E44,07/28/2004,16:23 
0e48,7,0,"?",4107f9ce,1c,0,3656,14-072 0E48,07/28/2004,15:09 
0e56,7,0,"?",41067957,5,0,3670,14-086 0E56,07/27/2004,11:48 
0e58,7,0,"?",4106b473,5,0,3672,14-088 0E58,07/27/2004,16:00 
0e5e,7,0,"?",41080e1b,34b,0,3678,14-094 0E5E,07/28/2004,16:35 
0ea5,7,0,"?",410143b7,3,0,3749,14-165 0EA5,07/23/2004,12:58 
0ead,7,0,"?",41078cf2,3,0,3757,14-173 0EAD,07/28/2004,07:24 
0ede,7,0,"?",4107f8db,3,0,3806,14-222 0EDE,07/28/2004,15:04 
0f00,7,0,"?",4108adcb,3,0,3840,15-000 0F00,07/29/2004,03:56 
0f12,7,0,"?",4108391f,3,0,3858,15-018 0F12,07/28/2004,19:39 
0f2d,7,0,"?",4107c57c,3,0,3885,15-045 0F2D,07/28/2004,11:25 
129b,7,0,"?",41039653,3,0,4763,18-155 129B,07/25/2004,07:15 
12e7,7,0,"?",410721c6,3,0,4839,18-231 12E7,07/27/2004,23:47 
12f7,7,0,"?",41070bac,4,0,4855,18-247 12F7,07/27/2004,22:13 
12fb,7,0,"?",4107bccf,6,0,4859,18-251 12FB,07/28/2004,10:48
 

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I suspected that :idea: , but wanted to hear that from someone who had experience with LTR systems. I am only attempting to monitor the talkgroups that you pointed out with actual LCN association.

Identifying talkgroups will be the fun part :? . It is hard to figure out some of the businesses using the talkgroups when the system is licensed to only one owner. Interesting too is that there are interconnect calls on this system. When the connection is completed it beeps three times, then a two tone beep three times before disconnect.

At least you can see the activity and get a better understanding of what is going on with LTRTrunk.

With the PRO-92 version 1.0 I can also see the repeaters cycle through in patterns, but not all frequencies are doing this. The pattern did change after a few cycles. What is the purpose for the cycle :?:

I also have a UHf regular LTR system in the area to try out, but it is not real active and only five frequencies.
 

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Repeater patterns can be configured to give near-exclusive access to busy users for a given repeater, normally their home repeater. Non-home repeaters used for overflow traffic sometimes are put into a rotation to even out transmitter wear.

On one system here a busy taxi company is homed on repeater number two. Other system users almost never transmit on repeater number two.

If you don't have a squelch gate and a subaudible filter on your data slicer there will be a ton of false ID hits.
 

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If you don't have a squelch gate and a subaudible filter on your data slicer there will be a ton of false ID hits.

Now that I know LTRTrunk is functional, I think I'll build a sub-audible slicer and see what I get.

Thanks.
 
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