800 Mhz health effects??

[brey1234]

I post this FYI and am placing this here because of the deployment of Pa's Ma/Com system--In all fairness these issues can affect ALL 800 Mhz radio systems.
It's well know that 800 MHz public safety radio systems operate in the same "band" as cell phones. Although the exposure is not constant--a user is getting exposed to stronger bursts of RF, every time she/he presses the push to talk switch...Then there is the issue of portable operation---every time it's used a burst of RF goes directly into the brain and/or body depending on where the hand held radio is placed. ======================================================

A union representing fire fighters and emergency medical personnel in the United States and Canada is seeking funding for research on the effects of RF radiation from cellular base stations.

The IAFF (International Association of Fire Fighters) takes the position that until the health effects of low-intensity RF and microwave radiation are known, no additional cell towers or antennas should be positioned on or near fire stations
http://www.shorecliffcommunications.com/magazine/news.asp?news=4319

 

[jhooten]

"Seeking funding" We want the tax payers to fork over their hard earned money for our pet project. Here is a novel idea, let your members pay for it with their dues.

 

[45-70-405]

And going into burning buildings is not also a health hazzard???

 

[grem467]

just what we needed, another ignorant group wanting free money for a useless survey.


cell towers NEAR a firestation? are you serious? what would be the exposure from a panel antenna that far away???

what a joke.

i guess i should see if i can get some free money to see if my Dish Network UHF remote control will cause cancer, i mean since my fingers (especially the middle one) is almost a 1/4 wave on UHF!

:roll:

 

[RolnCode3]

Is it possible to have an actual discussion about this instead of angry off-topic posts? He didn't ask for anyone's support on this, so it's probably premature to say that you don't support it (or its funding source).

Personally, I wonder about portable radios and their effects on the body (over the towers near fire stations). I have often wondered what effects it may have, especially being hooked onto the belt at waist height. I know exactly what you mean by the blushing face. Just my $0.02.

I couldn't find the article on the IAFF site, but the quick blurb on the linked page raises legitimate issues. They're basically saying that cell antennas are being installed on or near fire stations as a way for agencies to make money by leasing the space, possibly (which is why they want the unbiased study) exposing the firefighters to lengthy amounts of high RF exposure (or however you word it).

PS-Sorry that the beginning was off-topic as well. I work in public safety (as a peace officer) and know that agencies are not always putting their employees' safety at the forefront.

 

[grem467]

oh give me a break

how many studies over the years have been done on RF exposure, crying "THIS CAUSES CANCER!!!!"? Suggested reading to include "the boy who cried wolf" And please spare me from playing the "Agencies dont care about the safety of their employees!" card.

to say that a cellphone tower would expose them to that much RF is like saying "dont touch that AA battery because it will shock the bejesus out of you!" Now if the firefighter for some reason decided to sleep next to the panel antenna or got his jollies climbing the tower and hanging off the antennas then sure... but thats not the cell phone companies fault, that just someone being a moron.

i guess we need to have a taxpayer funded study on 802.11g routers, because they are 2.4ghz and SURELY thats bad!


Can too much RF Exposure be bad? sure
Will a tower across the street (or even mounted on top of a building) give you cancer? not unless you like to rub up against panel antennas, and even then i highly doubt it.

If the MEMBERS of this organization want to pay for a study on if icecream gives you cancer, then more power to them, just leave my taxpayer money alone.

and

is seeking funding

reeks of "send us money", so much for your arguement of "he didnt ask for support"

i guess we are only allowed to post if we AGREE with what the OP position is.

 

[brey1234]

Wow---I didn't realize postintg such an article would spark so much debate :lol:

Anyway here is the full article from the firefighters union:
http://www.iaff.org/safe/content/celltower/celltowerfinal.htm

 

[RolnCode3]

Wow. I already regret bothering with this thread. Good luck brey...Good info too.

 

[jhooten]

RolnCode3,

The point is that RF exposure due to "cell phone towers" has been studied to death over the years as the towers started growing like weeds in many neighborhoods. The studies were one of the causes for the FCC to issue it's complicated exposure guidelines that all RF installations have had to comply with since at least the beginning of the 21st century.

 

[Chris-M]

sorry........................................

Unfortunately the effects of RF exposure in this incidence (800mHz RF) is in it's infancy. It will take years before any ill effects show up. Most likely in the form of malignant or benign tumors. Sad but true. There is proof that RF exposure can do damage in general to human tissue, but specifically the effects of the standard power HT (and cellphones) won't be known for years. Most likely someday someone will discover a trend in illnesses within a group (ie PD, FD, cellphone users) just like it took years for cigarrette smoking to show it's ultimate effects.
I don't think there is a way to perform any 'test' to accelerate the results of such exposure, and I douby anyone would want to sign up as a guinnea pig for such accelerated tests! :shock:
So basically, all users of cellphones, and portable radios that transmit while held near the body or head, are 'long term' guinnea pigs wheter we like it or not.

Sorry, I stayed at a Holdiay Inn Express last night. I dunno what I was thinking when I typed that dribble above. Pardon my ignorance. Again.

 

[n4voxgill]

they have been testing 800 MHz for over 25 years. The only scientific results I have ever seen was back in the 1980s, which said the eye did not have enough blood flow to dissipate heat. Power was concentrated in the tip of the antenna, so keep the tip of the antenna away from the eye.

You can't compare cellphone and public safety use. First, people talk on cellphone for hours at at a time. That just don't happen in PS. The antennas in the cell phone are up against the skin and only public safety people to lazy to take the speaker/mike off the shoulder come in contact with the antenna.

Every time some union wants to get a little publicity they bring this old issue up. It has been covered for a quarter of a century. Unions love to stir the pot.

 

[INDY72]

FLUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! gurgle gurgle gurgle...

OK now that thats done.. will an admin just close this thread and get it over with??? :shock: After all... What in the name of all the Gods, Goddessess, and Powers that Be, does this have to do with M/A-Com?????? Would it not be better off in the Tavern?