800 p25 Getting a new radio unit ...
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bigbluemsp
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You would have to have a template created for it to be programmed and if your not on a department and your department doesn't have permission to monitor or communicate with the ones you want to hear then it can't be done. Legally that is.
While it is possible, you would be much better off with a good scanner and a quality antenna.
Using the XTS has a lot of limitations that the scanner does not have. Some of the highlights are legality, software, price, difficulty in proper programming, band and scan list limits.
Good luck!
Paul
fireresq2825
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You can not add talkgroups to the radio without the system key for that trunked system. If you have or get the system key you are either Motorola or MPSCS. If you are not either then it is illegally obtained as "The Big M" or MPSCS will NOT give it out.
My advice to you is if you and/or your department don't want serious trouble by trying to add unautherized trunked stuff to the radio, I'd buy a scanner. You'd be far happier with the scanner anyway.
My advice to you is if you and/or your department don't want serious trouble by trying to add unautherized trunked stuff to the radio, I'd buy a scanner. You'd be far happier with the scanner anyway.
EC-7
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Unless you are legally allowed to TRANSMIT on that radio, I dont think you can have it, even as a "scanner". If I remember right, those radios need to affiliate (send data) with the tower as soon as its turned on, and that requires automatically digitaly transmitting its info to the tower, and waiting on a response back.
If you aren't allowed to talk on it, then you are illegaly using it, as it still transmits on its own. The FCC can come down on you hard. Its no joke messing with a statewide Police/Fire/EMS system.
Id check www.Batlabs.com to make sure if this radio needs to affiliate with the tower upon power up or not. they would know best there.
I'd suggest getting a $500 Radio Shack scanner VS a $10,000 FCC fine. Im not trying to come down as the "radio police" but thats kinda touchy grounds there.
If you aren't allowed to talk on it, then you are illegaly using it, as it still transmits on its own. The FCC can come down on you hard. Its no joke messing with a statewide Police/Fire/EMS system.
Id check www.Batlabs.com to make sure if this radio needs to affiliate with the tower upon power up or not. they would know best there.
I'd suggest getting a $500 Radio Shack scanner VS a $10,000 FCC fine. Im not trying to come down as the "radio police" but thats kinda touchy grounds there.
A 800mhz radio could be programmed for conventional channels only or it could even have a blank codeplug (say with only one test frequency with TX disabled).
That is what I'm looking at ...
I agree with everyone, believe me. I have been programming radios for years. I have kenwoods that I use for the fire service. We are not allowed to RX/TX on our department radios however since I own my own radios I can program the RX info into them and listen in. Since the 800 would only be conventional, and I have a encoder board, I would think I could listen in. Granted, I have a grant for commerical 800 use with out PI/PS firm so I can TX on my stations.
Again, thank you everyone who is working with me on a solution ! This is a great forum !
I agree with everyone, believe me. I have been programming radios for years. I have kenwoods that I use for the fire service. We are not allowed to RX/TX on our department radios however since I own my own radios I can program the RX info into them and listen in. Since the 800 would only be conventional, and I have a encoder board, I would think I could listen in. Granted, I have a grant for commerical 800 use with out PI/PS firm so I can TX on my stations.
Again, thank you everyone who is working with me on a solution ! This is a great forum !
MaizeBlueFlyover
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Batlabs has a lot of great information but I would NOT suggest you make a thread about programming a radio on there, they will eat you alive.
I don't even visit their website unless I really have to because they get so nasty with people that ask questions.
It's mostly a couple of mods that jump in peoples crap, a lot of the members there are nice although a lot of the noobs are quite interesting to try to figure out, just like here.
The XTS3000 is rare to find in a version supporting 9600/Apco25 control channels. Only a handful of firmware versions support it, and with it there is a loss of conventional features and analog audio quality.
A 9600 baud radio, and any radio setup on a smartzone system needs to affiliate to the tower, there's no question about it.
For conventional programming of the site frequencies, it can work... I did this for a long time as I didn't have a 9600 capable radio. It worked 'ok', but it didn't satisfy me at all. Sites like Detroit have 28 or so frequencies... you can only scan 16 at a time on the XTS, so half of that can't be monitored... most sites have 16 or far less (some only like 3), you could program several sites into one scan list.
Say you can get all the frequencies for a site you want to monitor programmed... now you have the problem of having to listen to everything on the tower site, and a lot of it started annoying me.. like the near constant 'DOC' vans giving radio checks, and around here HVA dispatch yacking and yacking. I like to monitor the MSP, and whatever local agencies are in the area and nothing more. You can't lock these frequencies out as the next use of that repeater (this is trunking) could be something relevant to you.
Going with a 9600 trunking scanner is really the only way to go. If you are able to sell the radio you have now, you should be able to cover the costs of a new digital scanner ~$500
A 9600 baud radio, and any radio setup on a smartzone system needs to affiliate to the tower, there's no question about it.
For conventional programming of the site frequencies, it can work... I did this for a long time as I didn't have a 9600 capable radio. It worked 'ok', but it didn't satisfy me at all. Sites like Detroit have 28 or so frequencies... you can only scan 16 at a time on the XTS, so half of that can't be monitored... most sites have 16 or far less (some only like 3), you could program several sites into one scan list.
Say you can get all the frequencies for a site you want to monitor programmed... now you have the problem of having to listen to everything on the tower site, and a lot of it started annoying me.. like the near constant 'DOC' vans giving radio checks, and around here HVA dispatch yacking and yacking. I like to monitor the MSP, and whatever local agencies are in the area and nothing more. You can't lock these frequencies out as the next use of that repeater (this is trunking) could be something relevant to you.
Going with a 9600 trunking scanner is really the only way to go. If you are able to sell the radio you have now, you should be able to cover the costs of a new digital scanner ~$500
Thanks for the info 
Josh -
The flash code is 599108-5F4600-1 (APCO 25). It breaks down like;
D12 B1 Q806 Q806 ASTRO Digital Operation [ ap ]
D12 B3 H14 H14 Enhanced Digital ID Display [ ap ]
D11 B1 H101 H101 Repeater Access [ ap ]
D11 B4 Q498 Q498 Hardware Multikey Encryption w/ OTAR [ ap ] D10 B1 H43 H43 Trunked Radio Trace / Remote Monitor [ ap ] D10 B4 H46 H46 Trunked One Touch Status Message [ ap ]
D9 B1 H39 H39 Selective Radio Inhibit [ ap ]
D7 B4 H38 H38 SMARTZONE Systems Operation [ ap ]
D6 B3 H07 H07 Software Multikey Encryption [ ap ]
D5 B1 Q354 Q354 OTACS Over the Air Channel Steering [ ap ]
D5 B2 Q353 Q353 OTACR Over the Air Channel Reassignment [ ap ]
D5 B3 Q352 Q352 User Definable ID [ ap ]
D5 B4 Q351 Q351 MODAT [ ap ]
D3 B2 Q387 Q387 Conventional Voting Scan [ ap ]
D3 B3 Q173 Q173 SMARTZONE OMNILINK Multizone Operation [ ap ]
This should work, right ? I've reasearched it on Batwing Labs ...
Let me know, thank you ...
Josh -
The flash code is 599108-5F4600-1 (APCO 25). It breaks down like;
D12 B1 Q806 Q806 ASTRO Digital Operation [ ap ]
D12 B3 H14 H14 Enhanced Digital ID Display [ ap ]
D11 B1 H101 H101 Repeater Access [ ap ]
D11 B4 Q498 Q498 Hardware Multikey Encryption w/ OTAR [ ap ] D10 B1 H43 H43 Trunked Radio Trace / Remote Monitor [ ap ] D10 B4 H46 H46 Trunked One Touch Status Message [ ap ]
D9 B1 H39 H39 Selective Radio Inhibit [ ap ]
D7 B4 H38 H38 SMARTZONE Systems Operation [ ap ]
D6 B3 H07 H07 Software Multikey Encryption [ ap ]
D5 B1 Q354 Q354 OTACS Over the Air Channel Steering [ ap ]
D5 B2 Q353 Q353 OTACR Over the Air Channel Reassignment [ ap ]
D5 B3 Q352 Q352 User Definable ID [ ap ]
D5 B4 Q351 Q351 MODAT [ ap ]
D3 B2 Q387 Q387 Conventional Voting Scan [ ap ]
D3 B3 Q173 Q173 SMARTZONE OMNILINK Multizone Operation [ ap ]
This should work, right ? I've reasearched it on Batwing Labs ...
Let me know, thank you ...
Ohhh ya ...
Plus since we live in an area where there are only 10 freqs ... I think I have it set.
Plus since we live in an area where there are only 10 freqs ... I think I have it set.
Dead Issue, No Longer Working On.
This Project Is Dead In The Water, I Have Been Told It Is Illigal For A Rx Only Radio On The Mpscs (scanner). This Is A Dead Post.
This Project Is Dead In The Water, I Have Been Told It Is Illigal For A Rx Only Radio On The Mpscs (scanner). This Is A Dead Post.
Ummm. You can scan it conventionally. Your radio is not capable of doing the trunking though. There's nothing illegal about conventionally scanning.
MaizeBlueFlyover
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You have been told that for weeks now. It's impossible to receive that system and NOT transmit on it with that radio. The radio transmits whether you push the PTT button or not.
Even IF you were successful in getting it programmed, what radio ID were you planning on using? It would have been zapped.
I know everyone tends to come off as a "radio expert" on here, but there are actually people "in the know" about MPSCS that read these threads. I know for a fact there are system users and even MPSCS techs that puruse this website, and the Michigan forum in particular. They probably even had their finger on the button to zap that radio as soon as they seen it come online.
Even IF you were successful in getting it programmed, what radio ID were you planning on using? It would have been zapped.
I know everyone tends to come off as a "radio expert" on here, but there are actually people "in the know" about MPSCS that read these threads. I know for a fact there are system users and even MPSCS techs that puruse this website, and the Michigan forum in particular. They probably even had their finger on the button to zap that radio as soon as they seen it come online.
MaizeBlueFlyover
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Josh is correct. You can scan it conventionally no problem.
Legal or Illegal
Back and forth, I'm confused. Is it ok to scan conventional ch RX legaly ? I don't want anything to do with the trunk system. You know, this is a dead issue. I'm just going to sell my unit and get a scanner.
Thanks everyone !!
Back and forth, I'm confused. Is it ok to scan conventional ch RX legaly ? I don't want anything to do with the trunk system. You know, this is a dead issue. I'm just going to sell my unit and get a scanner.
Thanks everyone !!
jrupp4285
I'm not quite sure why you feel the need to send me private messages, I can assure you I have no interest I having personal a relationship with you of any sort.
On 9-21-2008 at 10:35am you wrote....
On 9-21-2008 at 10:45am you wrote....
OK, so which is it? You said you were given one and ten minutes later you are trying to buy one.
Wrong again 110%
So just what do you do where you work so closely with the law and the feds? I could use a laugh.....
I'm not quite sure why you feel the need to send me private messages, I can assure you I have no interest I having personal a relationship with you of any sort.
On 9-21-2008 at 10:35am you wrote....
On 9-21-2008 at 10:45am you wrote....
OK, so which is it? You said you were given one and ten minutes later you are trying to buy one.
Wrong again 110%
So just what do you do where you work so closely with the law and the feds? I could use a laugh.....
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