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LarrySC

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The other morning I was monitoring Palmetto 800 Thickety Tower from my office in Simpsonville. Data was just 44% then went to -0-. Then system 3B1B was on display with 25% data. This held for a few min's then Thickety 2B02 was back. I caught skip from central NC early in the morning before and wonder if anyone knows anything on 3B1B. Also can the system ID be checked on FCC web site?? Pending any reply, Larry
 

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I was only get a CC % of 4%, and no ID was coming on with that low of a percentage. I'll keep a listen to it and see if I can get anything.

I was getting Newport at 99% :D
 

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>> Also can the system ID be checked on FCC web site??

Like PL / DPL, the FCC doesn't request the system I-D on the license applications.

The RR database has a system I-D search, via the "US" database page. Nothing on there, though for 3B1B.

The only licensee in NC, Larry, would be Kernersville ... near Winston-Salem. RR lists a different I-D for them.

My best guess is that the newly licensed system for Columbia County, Ga might have the control channel on. One of the system frequencies is 868.425 MHz. The system was licensed 04/10/2006 .

Based on some monitoring last week, I can tell you there was still county sheriffs, Harlem Police and Grovetown Police and fire traffic on VHF, although the comms may have been simulcasts.


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Sorry to hijack the thread here but I havent had any replies to this question in the Georgia forum. In regards to the new freqs for columbia county, can you tell what type of system it may be from this info on the fcc web site? http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws...res.hts?db_id=19&link=WQET548&application_id=
The only thing that seems odd to me is that all of the towers are shown to have the exact same freqs. Can a trunked system be set up this way or could this be something conventional? I hope I asked that in the right way, Im fairly new to this 800mhz stuff and eager to learn more.
 

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Simulcast and IR sites

"The only thing that seems odd to me is that all of the towers are shown to have the exact same freqs. Can a trunked system be set up this way or could this be something conventional?"


Many trunked systems have multiple tower sites that transmit the same information at the same time....this is called simulcast. In this manner, a county system could provide improved coverage with a limited number of channels. When a system user transmits into the system, his traffic is repeated on all of the tower sites and ultimately the same frequency at all of the sites.

Conversely, you have the Palmetto 800 system which has Intelli-repeater sites (as well as some simulcast). They act as mini-trunked systems at each of the tower sites. For example...Augusta has, I think, 5 sites to cover Augusta-Richmond County. Each site has its own control channel separate from the other sites. Based on affiliation to a site, when a user transmits he may key up one site or may keep up all five sites. Let me describe affiliation...

I turn on my radio and it talks to the system via the control channel telling the system my radio ID and the talk group that I want to be associated with. Based on system parameters and if my radio is valid, traffic will be passed to me on my talk group by what should be the closest tower site. Let me bring this together...

If you were near site 1 and I am near site 2 on the same talk group, we would use two different channels (one at each site to pass the traffic) in the intelli-repeater world. Towers 3,4, and 5 don't transmit. Officer Friendly turns on his radio on our talk group near site 3 and now our traffic is routed to his radio by yet another channel at site 3.

In a simulcast world, you are at site 1, me at site 2, officer friendly at site 3 and all of us are using the same channel at each of the sites inlcuding sites 4 and 5 even though no one is near affiliated to those sites.

I hope that this helps!
 

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One more thing

You asked about trunked or conventional....

Simulcast can work in the trunked or conventional world. Lancaster County, SC has just put in a simulcast system for their EMS, Fire, and Sheriff. Each of their different channels is transmitted at 3 different sites at the same time. They are on VHF.

EMS 3 sites, Fire 3 sites, Sheriff 3 sites. Each agency only has one channel (in the simulcast system).
 

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Thanks delta85, that helps me understand just a little bit better. This 800 trunking system stuff is really something else. Throw in a computer, umpteen frequencies, 20 agencies, and different types of manufacturers and man, the sky seems to be the limit with what they can be set up to do. It surely beats conventional capabilities hands down. Im just hoping that it will be a system that a scanner is able to track once it starts up. Im already gonna be forced to buy a new trunker because my 95 will not track after rebanding. Maybe by then some new models will be available to choose from.
 
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