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9/11 Myths Busted by Popular Science Magazine

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FIVE years after September 11, more than one-third of Americans believe the US Government was complicit in the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon.

This extraordinary reaction to one of the most widely witnessed, reported and investigated incidents of modern times has been fed by what adherents like to call the "9/11 Truth Movement".

Type "9/11 conspiracy" into Google and you'll be hit with almost 1 million links to sites such as 911truth.org and letsroll911.org that claim the "official" version of what happened that day is a sham.

A popular "theory" is that the US Government orchestrated the attacks so it could make Americans hate Arabs and allow the military to bomb Muslim nations such as Iraq.

Many of the theorists claim to have uncovered hard evidence that "proves" the Twin Towers were hit by military jets and brought down by controlled demolition, a mysterious white jet shot down United Flight 93, and the Pentagon was hit by a cruise missile.

Long ignored by mainstream media, the theorists are now having their moment in the spotlight, with two recent opinion polls saying that millions of Americans do not believe al-Qaida and Osama bin Laden had anything to do with the attacks of September 11.

An Ohio University poll found that 36 per cent of Americans believe the US Government was either an active participant or had advance warning of the attacks.

The theories have even become part of international politics, with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad hinting that the Bush Administration was involved in 9/11.

Some theories are based on claims that are easy to make but difficult to disprove: "Jews were warned to stay away from the World Trade Centre that day" or "FEMA (disaster relief) workers were sent to New York City the night before the attacks".

Others ignore the vast array of evidence that point to a terrorist attack and focus on a handful of facts that don't seem to add up: Why was the hole in the Pentagon so much smaller than a passenger jet? How could barely qualified pilots execute such a complex series of manoeuvres on planes they had never flown before? And why was so little aircraft wreckage found?

Theorists who raise these questions try to appear legitimate with a selective use of science, like the temperatures at which steel melts and reproducing seismic charts to show evidence of a bomb detonation in Manhattan that morning.

A book called 9/11: The Big Lie that claims the Pentagon was hit by a cruise missile, not a plane, has sold 200,000 copies and been translated in 20 languages. Documentaries such as In Plane Site and Loose Change have become sensations on college campuses across the US with their claims that virtually nothing about September 11 is what it seems.

Loose Change began its life as a film about a fictional government conspiracy, but director Dylan Avery says his research led him to realise that there really was a conspiracy and he decided to scrap the film and make a documentary instead.

Those behind the theories aren't just self-interested film-makers and raving bloggers. There are physics professors, pilots, engineers, scientists, supposed eyewitnesses and a handful of celebrities.

The most famous adherent is actor Charlie Sheen, who told a radio interviewer in March: "It seems to me like 19 amateurs with boxcutters taking over four commercial airliners and hitting 75 per cent of their targets raises a lot of questions."

Perhaps the most relevant question is why so many people like Sheen have clutched on to the paper-thin claims of films like Loose Change, while dismissing the mountain of evidence cited in the 9/11 Commission report and other official investigations.

Slow to react, government officials and politicians are finally waking up to the danger of uncontested conspiracy theories

"They ignore the methods of science, the protocols of investigation and the dictates of logic," said US Senator John McCain. "The 9/11 conspiracy movement exploits the public's anger and sadness, shakes Americans' faith in their Government at a time when that faith is already near an all time low."

Legitimate media organisations like the New York Times and Popular Science magazine are finally taking the theorists to task.

An exhaustive investigation by Popular Science stripped back each conspiracy to its core set of facts then used science and logic to reveal the truth behind the myth. A new book, Debunking 9/11 Myths, details the magazine's findings.

Popular Science found that each conspiracy theory was supported by little more than shoddy research, misinterpretations of evidence, and leaps of logic that would embarrass a primary school student. The myths soon collapse under the weight of their own hot air.

MYTH

Hijackers were not skilled enough to fly four airliners through the complicated series of manoeuvres needed to hit their targets.

TRUTH

All four pilots had logged at least 250 hours' flying time and were commercially licensed pilots. They had trained extensively on commercial jet flight simulators and didn't have to perform the most complicated parts of any flight: taking off, flying in bad weather and landing.

The New York pilots could see their targets from 100km away and the Pentagon hijacker used autopilot to fly almost all the way to his destination, then disengaged it when he was a few minutes from his target.

MYTH

The towers were struck by military cargo planes or fuel tankers. Windows are not visible in photographs or footage of the planes before they struck the towers and a witness, cameraman Marc Birnbach said on September 11: "It definitely didn't look like a commercial plane. I didn't see any windows on the sides."

TRUTH

Birnbach told Popular Science he was 3km away and didn't see the plane hit the tower. The plane was tilted away from him, meaning the windows on the right side were pointed towards the sky. Part of a United Airlines fuselage, complete with portholes, was found on the roof of 5 World Trade Centre.

MYTH

The twin towers were in fact professionally demolished. An aircraft impact is not sufficient to knock down a skyscraper, and dust "squibs" indicating controlled demolition are visible just before the towers collapsed.

TRUTH

The aircraft severed a large portion of the external steel web that gave the towers much of their strength.

Other metal supporting columns were weakened by the ferocious heat generated by burning jet fuel.

The "squibs" were pressurised air being squeezed out of the building as the floors above it compacted.

Explosives experts say that a successful demolition would require hundreds of tonnes of explosives packed around each weight-bearing column in the building. Installing the charges would have taken 75 men at least three months.

MYTH

The Pentagon was hit by a cruise missile. Security tape of the attack shows a white blur, not a plane, the entry hole in the building was only 5m wide and no plane wreckage was found.

TRUTH

The plane flew over morning commuters and hundreds of witnesses saw it hit the Pentagon.

Security cameras film at a very slow frame rate – far too slow to show an object moving at 240m per second.

Photographs taken after the attack and before the facade collapsed show a hole 30m wide, not 5m.

A Boeing 757 is 40m from wingtip to wingtip, but parts of both wings were sheared off when they struck a generator and external vent near the Pentagon.

Most of the plane was shredded on impact but the landing gear punched through three of the building's rings, and was recognisable in photographs.

MYTH

United Flight 93 was shot down by a jet that had been repainted white to disguise military markings.

Debris from the plane was found kilometres from the impact zone, proving that it had exploded in midair.

TRUTH

The white plane seen by witnesses is no secret – it was a corporate jet rerouted by flight controllers to the last known radar location of United 93.

It circled the smoking impact zone as the pilot radioed in what he had found.

The farthest piece of debris from the impact zone was just a few hundred metres away.
 

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9-11 Myths Busted by Popular Science

racin06 said:
FIVE years after September 11, more than one-third of Americans believe the US Government was complicit in the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon.

This extraordinary reaction to one of the most widely witnessed, reported and investigated incidents of modern times has been fed by what adherents like to call the "9/11 Truth Movement".

Type "9/11 conspiracy" into Google and you'll be hit with almost 1 million links to sites such as 911truth.org and letsroll911.org that claim the "official" version of what happened that day is a sham.

A popular "theory" is that the US Government orchestrated the attacks so it could make Americans hate Arabs and allow the military to bomb Muslim nations such as Iraq.

Many of the theorists claim to have uncovered hard evidence that "proves" the Twin Towers were hit by military jets and brought down by controlled demolition, a mysterious white jet shot down United Flight 93, and the Pentagon was hit by a cruise missile.

Long ignored by mainstream media, the theorists are now having their moment in the spotlight, with two recent opinion polls saying that millions of Americans do not believe al-Qaida and Osama bin Laden had anything to do with the attacks of September 11.

An Ohio University poll found that 36 per cent of Americans believe the US Government was either an active participant or had advance warning of the attacks.

The theories have even become part of international politics, with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad hinting that the Bush Administration was involved in 9/11.

Some theories are based on claims that are easy to make but difficult to disprove: "Jews were warned to stay away from the World Trade Centre that day" or "FEMA (disaster relief) workers were sent to New York City the night before the attacks".

Others ignore the vast array of evidence that point to a terrorist attack and focus on a handful of facts that don't seem to add up: Why was the hole in the Pentagon so much smaller than a passenger jet? How could barely qualified pilots execute such a complex series of manoeuvres on planes they had never flown before? And why was so little aircraft wreckage found?

Theorists who raise these questions try to appear legitimate with a selective use of science, like the temperatures at which steel melts and reproducing seismic charts to show evidence of a bomb detonation in Manhattan that morning.

A book called 9/11: The Big Lie that claims the Pentagon was hit by a cruise missile, not a plane, has sold 200,000 copies and been translated in 20 languages. Documentaries such as In Plane Site and Loose Change have become sensations on college campuses across the US with their claims that virtually nothing about September 11 is what it seems.

Loose Change began its life as a film about a fictional government conspiracy, but director Dylan Avery says his research led him to realise that there really was a conspiracy and he decided to scrap the film and make a documentary instead.

Those behind the theories aren't just self-interested film-makers and raving bloggers. There are physics professors, pilots, engineers, scientists, supposed eyewitnesses and a handful of celebrities.

The most famous adherent is actor Charlie Sheen, who told a radio interviewer in March: "It seems to me like 19 amateurs with boxcutters taking over four commercial airliners and hitting 75 per cent of their targets raises a lot of questions."

Perhaps the most relevant question is why so many people like Sheen have clutched on to the paper-thin claims of films like Loose Change, while dismissing the mountain of evidence cited in the 9/11 Commission report and other official investigations.

Slow to react, government officials and politicians are finally waking up to the danger of uncontested conspiracy theories

"They ignore the methods of science, the protocols of investigation and the dictates of logic," said US Senator John McCain. "The 9/11 conspiracy movement exploits the public's anger and sadness, shakes Americans' faith in their Government at a time when that faith is already near an all time low."

Legitimate media organisations like the New York Times and Popular Science magazine are finally taking the theorists to task.

An exhaustive investigation by Popular Science stripped back each conspiracy to its core set of facts then used science and logic to reveal the truth behind the myth. A new book, Debunking 9/11 Myths, details the magazine's findings.

Popular Science found that each conspiracy theory was supported by little more than shoddy research, misinterpretations of evidence, and leaps of logic that would embarrass a primary school student. The myths soon collapse under the weight of their own hot air.

MYTH

Hijackers were not skilled enough to fly four airliners through the complicated series of manoeuvres needed to hit their targets.

TRUTH

All four pilots had logged at least 250 hours' flying time and were commercially licensed pilots. They had trained extensively on commercial jet flight simulators and didn't have to perform the most complicated parts of any flight: taking off, flying in bad weather and landing.

The New York pilots could see their targets from 100km away and the Pentagon hijacker used autopilot to fly almost all the way to his destination, then disengaged it when he was a few minutes from his target.

MYTH

The towers were struck by military cargo planes or fuel tankers. Windows are not visible in photographs or footage of the planes before they struck the towers and a witness, cameraman Marc Birnbach said on September 11: "It definitely didn't look like a commercial plane. I didn't see any windows on the sides."

TRUTH

Birnbach told Popular Science he was 3km away and didn't see the plane hit the tower. The plane was tilted away from him, meaning the windows on the right side were pointed towards the sky. Part of a United Airlines fuselage, complete with portholes, was found on the roof of 5 World Trade Centre.

MYTH

The twin towers were in fact professionally demolished. An aircraft impact is not sufficient to knock down a skyscraper, and dust "squibs" indicating controlled demolition are visible just before the towers collapsed.

TRUTH

The aircraft severed a large portion of the external steel web that gave the towers much of their strength.

Other metal supporting columns were weakened by the ferocious heat generated by burning jet fuel.

The "squibs" were pressurised air being squeezed out of the building as the floors above it compacted.

Explosives experts say that a successful demolition would require hundreds of tonnes of explosives packed around each weight-bearing column in the building. Installing the charges would have taken 75 men at least three months.

MYTH

The Pentagon was hit by a cruise missile. Security tape of the attack shows a white blur, not a plane, the entry hole in the building was only 5m wide and no plane wreckage was found.

TRUTH

The plane flew over morning commuters and hundreds of witnesses saw it hit the Pentagon.

Security cameras film at a very slow frame rate – far too slow to show an object moving at 240m per second.

Photographs taken after the attack and before the facade collapsed show a hole 30m wide, not 5m.

A Boeing 757 is 40m from wingtip to wingtip, but parts of both wings were sheared off when they struck a generator and external vent near the Pentagon.

Most of the plane was shredded on impact but the landing gear punched through three of the building's rings, and was recognisable in photographs.

MYTH

United Flight 93 was shot down by a jet that had been repainted white to disguise military markings.

Debris from the plane was found kilometres from the impact zone, proving that it had exploded in midair.

TRUTH

The white plane seen by witnesses is no secret – it was a corporate jet rerouted by flight controllers to the last known radar location of United 93.

It circled the smoking impact zone as the pilot radioed in what he had found.

The farthest piece of debris from the impact zone was just a few hundred metres away.
Racin 06
I am sorry but I am going to have to disagree with that summation
that the 911 attacks WERE NOT A GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY because of the fact the Government did do this to get America to
hate Arabs. This was to finish the job that Al quiada did not finish in
1993. President Clinton did have the chance to get Usama but he
chose not to. Binladin was behind the attacks of the USS Cole, and
the Colbar Towers bombing incident also. I don't know where the
reporter of the article got his facts from, but it appears that he or his
sources were on crack or cheap drugs. It's like the people in
the Lower 9th Ward in New Orleans saying that the Government blew up the levees and caused the flooding. When all it was that the
levees after many years had broken down and their strength was
compromised by time. If there was evidence of a jet shooting down
flight 93 there would have signs of that the plane was hit by a missle
or machine gun fire.
 
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It won't help.

People gullible enough to believe the crap that is out there are too stupid to realize it.
 

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Aww, now you know if we have any leftist conspiracy theorists on this forum, you'll literally have to drive to there home and put their pacifiers back in their mouth. All that crying will make them fall out.
 

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I swear to god people that think of these dumba** theories are just plain stupid. There is no way a bomb could have gone off in the WTC, every TV station in NYC recorded the planes striking both the towers. Plus, you can plainly see the holes the wings made when they penetrated the towers. The towers were designed to withstand the force of a 707 striking it at 200 mph. Well guess what, the hijacked planes were going in excess of 500 mph. That's why they fell.

About United 93, when a plane hits the ground going 500 mph, pieces of the plane ARE GOING TO FLY. It's not unusual at all to see debris far from a crash site, expecially when there was an explosion as big a the one that United 93 made when it crashed.

Oh yeah, about the cameraman thinking that the WTC was struck by a cargo plane. In dozens of photographs taken before the plane hits the building, you can clearly see that it's a UNITED plane. Last time I checked United owns no cargo or fuel tanker aircraft...
 

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Colin.
Dude, if your going to reply to a thread fo this nature please please please know what the f*** you are talking about.

There is no way a bomb could have gone off in the WTC, every TV station in NYC recorded the planes striking both the towers. Plus, you can plainly see the holes the wings made when they penetrated the towers.
No one doubts that bud, they say the towers were brought down by controlled demolition. Sheesh man.

About United 93, when a plane hits the ground going 500 mph,........was an explosion as big a the one that United 93 made when it crashed.
Again you misunderstand what was said.
Its not that debris is found so far away, its that there was so little debris found, and yet passports werent even singed? Thats the question the "leftists" are raising.

Oh yeah, .........last time I checked United owns no cargo or fuel tanker aircraft...
And I have seen a horse painted to look like a zebra, so what, the plane was "painted" like an AA plane, that doesnt mean it was. But then again, eye witness accounts when interviewed during a major attack and the person cant tie thier own shoes let alone remember what a plane looked like milliseconds before it smashed into a building is a bit shaky to begin with.
In other words, his "eyewitness" account, is most likely a good bit tainted.

Dubbin.
Here we go with this crap AGAIN...
Yep your right, lets not question what we are told. God I hope my children don't grow up that way.

Aww, now you know i.......All that crying will make them fall out.
lol, yea probably.
N_Jay.
It won't help.

People gullible enough to believe the crap that is out there are too stupid to realize it.
That same could be said that people gullible enough to believe the governments story, are to stupid to see the truth, remember, those swords swing both ways.

Red8
Dude there is no need to copy the post in its entirety. We get the gist of it.

And um,
Racin 06
I am sorry but I am going to have to disagree with that summation
that the 911 attacks WERE NOT A GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY because of the fact the Government did do this to get America to
hate Arabs. .......... If there was evidence of a jet shooting down
flight 93 there would have signs of that the plane was hit by a missle
or machine gun fire.
The article is DEBUNKING the conspiracy theorists man, read the damn article again, in fact read it twice since you have completely copied it, maybe that was a sign for you.

Seriously folks, if you are going to try and raise a defense against peole like loose change then you need to watch thie videos, the guy who "flew" flight 93, was such a poor pilot, that the instructor at the little airfield he was at, said he felt sorry for the guy, they didnt have training in simulators like poeple assume, no, they were trained in smal cesnas and the like.

Ask any commercial pilot out there, can you bank a commercial liner going over 500 mph at the angle that they supposedly did? If you can, then please sign up for the military, cause you are one hell of a pilot. What with being able to overcome the nearly instant stall situation and the fact the airframe would not be able to hold that many G's from a turn of that nature.

What do I belive? Well what i saw, 2 planes hit the towers, they came down, thousands of people died, if it was terrorist from overseaes then they need to be punished, if it was our own goverment, again they need to be punished, but either way, those were real lives I saw snuffed out in an instant and will never forget. The taste of human ash on your tongue is not something you soon forget.

For those of us there that day and the following weeks (I was a vounteer) it is something that will never be forgotten.
 
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flyingwolf said:
Colin.
Dude, if your going to reply to a thread fo this nature please please please know what the f*** you are talking about.
Nice language there pal...
 
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And I repeat myself:

It won't help.

People gullible enough to believe the crap that is out there are too stupid to realize it.


As an example, if it were a controlled demolition, the bottom stories of the building would have been blown out, and then the building would have pancaked from that point.

However it is VERY NOTICEABLE in ALL THE FILM that the floors collapsed from the point of impact DOWN.

To have it fail the way it did, the "controlled demolition" charges would have had to be in The fire zone and on the few floors below, yet there is no noticeable "explosion" at that level when it collapses.

Why am I bothering, like I said:

It won't help.

People gullible enough to believe the crap that is out there are too stupid to realize it.
 
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That last one is great.

Oh, wait, IT'S PART of the cover-up.:wink:

See they are letting him live as proof that it is bunk, to help hide the fact it is true.:cool:

(I think I just hurt my brain):roll:
 

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Where are all the people that were on the planes? Were they all buried in a mass grave in Mexico somewhere, or maybe they are all living it up on a beach after being paid off.

What a load of s***.
 
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You can find a million "experts" to say that it happened one way or the other. As far as Im concerned both sides are full of hot air. They say there are 3 sides to every story. one sides view, the other sides view, and the truth. Like everything else in history we are only told what they want us to know. So why keep beating a dead horse?
 

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Not this again ... doesnt this forum have a merge feature? Lump this BS in with the rest of the BS so we dont have to weed through it!
 

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racin06 said:
FIVE years after September 11, more than one-third of Americans believe the US Government was complicit in the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon.
The " more than one-third of Americans" gives the government waaaay to much credit. :p
The government showed us their planning and organizing skills handling Hurricane Katrina recovery :lol:

Obviously this 1/3 were not personally touched by the atrocities. What a bunch of dumfux :roll:
 
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. . . Like everything else in history we are only told what they want us to know. . . . . .?
Or you can study?:confused:

Oh, never mind!:roll:
 
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mciupa said:
The " more than one-third of Americans" gives the government waaaay to much credit. :p
The government showed us their planning and organizing skills handling Hurricane Katrina recovery :lol:

Obviously this 1/3 were not personally touched by the atrocities. What a bunch of dumfux :roll:
Look to the left,
. . . . .
Look to the right.
. . . . . .
If one of them is not stupid, then you better sit down for some bad news.
:lol: :twisted: :lol: :twisted: :lol:
 

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Look fellows I do not believe in the myths that this waterhead wrote
in Popular Science magaine, I thought Popular Science was a more
reputable publication than that. Ya'll are so right.I was using the
deal about Katrina as an example on the levees breaking when some idiot said the levee was blown up. As usual there are some people
out there that usually have two braincells in their head; One waving
goodbye to the otherone. I had a firearms instructor tell me one time
that people like have got the same problems of people who smoke
marijuana, they either have short term memory loss or they choke
their you know whats
H
 

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Red8, Popular Science did not write the myths, nore try to confirm them, quite the opposite, they were debunking the myths themselves, Not writting new ones.

Notice it says Myth: some stupid ass theory.
Then Fact: The truth as it is known.

Dude, seriously, read the post.

Oh and the language, thank you, I try.

If you dont like it, dont read it, and if you dont want your kids to read it, keep them off the computer, or dont read outloud, or have you not figured out how to do that yet?
 

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Flyingwolf
I was not saying that the magazine per say writes myths. They were just showing many of the conspiracy that some people are
dumb enough to believe in my friend. I read it and I agree with you
100% on that a lot of good people died that day. And I guess when
I read that part about the1/3 people in a survey believed the attacks
were a Government conspiracy, that got me .
Thanks for your interpatation in the matter very much and explaining
it to me. I guess I got a little overaught on this in regards to Popular
Science.
red8
 
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