About PG&E's MPT1327 system....

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CopperWhopper67

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I am curious as to any possible rationales for PG&E choosing to deploy MPT1327 as their radio system instead of a Type II, LTR, or any other comparable analog trunking system. From what I understand, its one of the only MPT systems that exist in the U.S. and its a type that's mostly used outside of North America.

What are other's thoughts on this?
 

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I believe half the system was sold to the execs as the ability to make private calls radio to radio. You could be in Redding and dial up someone directly in SLO. Who needs cellphones?! Everyone can just carry a radio! Over 400 TG across 11 zones in their Tait radios.

They do seem to work well for field crews being able to talk with Operations for remote switching etc. But otherwise for tactical/field work on a job the subcontractors tend to just use their own radios. PGE retained their VHF licensing and are re-implementing VHF across their service area for field work.
 

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Has anyone heard anything about PG&E upgrading to P25?

I for some reason (i.e. Google knowing that radios are the only thing on my mind) came across a LinkedIn profile where the subject mentions a "PG&E California Tait Radio P25 Upgrade" in his bio.

I haven't seen anything about this project anywhere else, so I'm wondering if other people may have.

I'm not sure I should link the profile, but search that phrase in quotes above on Google and it'll come up.
 

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There is a story from 2014 where Tait Radio took over managing PG&E's radio system.


They advertise that they can manage P25, MPT, and DMR systems. This might be the process that got the one person listed
 

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I spent 40 years of my life a PG&E customer. Hubby and I wanted to keep up with things when our power went out. What a weird disjointed system it was, UHF here VHF there, who knows what in other places with these all overlapping. It didn't seem to relate to area or functions. Hubby tried to make sense of it with PG&E employees, but he never understood it all. Admittedly we didn't spent a lot of time researching it though. Hubby liked it because of all the procedures and lingo, we did figure a lot of that out. Hubby was a civil engineer so he liked the "engineer speak" aspect of it. We just listened to our little corner of the world! When I first heard they were going to come up with one comprehensive system I thought its about time.
 

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The radio were a nice addition but since they were installed I haven’t used them or heard anyone else use them. But they do like to drain our truck batteries!
 

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Ha ha,,, right. That is why I have two batteries in my truck, so one can start the car if I kill the other!
Anyway, I have heard nothing on the 4 Loma Prieta since that day. I have been scanning for days!
I did submit the new license to RR.
 

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I am curious as to any possible rationales for PG&E choosing to deploy MPT1327 as their radio system instead of a Type II, LTR, or any other comparable analog trunking system.
Smartnet stopped being sold in the early 2000s when MSI began to migrate customers to Astro 25. The PG&E system came along long after Smartnet systems were EOL'ed. LTR is in the same boat, old, tired and limited technology for a wide area trunking system. Why MPT1327 versus DMR or NXDN trunking is a more suitable question, both were available while this system was being planned.
 

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Hearing traffic in Monterey Bay on 451.2625. I found WQPS878
I see 4 frequencies for Loma Prieta but they are not listed in the Trunk system here;
Can someone update that?

We can't add a Loma Prieta site without more info. The FCC license isn't enough. Are those four frequencies really the only frequencies on the site? Are there more? Less? Which one is the control channel? What is the site number?

Keith do you hear an MPT-1327 trunking control channel on any of the frequencies on the FCC license? There's an audio sample of it here: MPT 1327 - Signal Identification Wiki

There are 6 unknown sites still in the site list for this system and I'm guessing Loma Prieta is one that showed up as a neighbor when someone was running decoding software on a neighboring site, but never got a chance to ID Loma Prieta as the neighbor. Can anyone with Unitrunker/Trunkview take a stab at the four frequencies in WQPS878 and see if you can locate a control channel and run decoding software on it?
 

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Which is the best software for MPT1327 ??
I just received an SDR RTL2832U V3 dongle (my first).

I have heard nothing on the 4 channels in days now, digital control or otherwise, unless they put something on the plus-5mhz freqs.
The traffic I heard was before the storms, so why they are not using it now, I do not know.
Keith
 

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FYI; 464.500 PL 210.7 I am hearing PG&E traffic in Santa Cruz. They have several Itinerant licenses on that freq. (Not in RR).
I AM hearing control digital traffic on 464.0875 which is near me licensed to Fremont Peak; WQOI747 (Interesting they run 196.6 PL along with the Digital). However, seems way TOO weak for Fremont Peak, I am line of site.
I will get my Dongle and Unitrunker going soon.
 

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Word on the street on why Tait vs. MOTO is that in 2013-2014, when this deal was inked, PGE was looking for someone to install and maintain the network. At the time, Moto did not offer those services for non-Astro customers. So, the default choice was Tait. Now, the big M will perform that service for almost anyone (I have worked on a few TRBO systems that were in this model). No idea when it will be depricated or upgrade or replaced. TT
 

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FYI; 464.500 PL 210.7 I am hearing PG&E traffic in Santa Cruz. They have several Itinerant licenses on that freq. (Not in RR).
I AM hearing control digital traffic on 464.0875 which is near me licensed to Fremont Peak; WQOI747 (Interesting they run 196.6 PL along with the Digital). However, seems way TOO weak for Fremont Peak, I am line of site.
I will get my Dongle and Unitrunker going soon.

Hey Keith, that 464.0875 MHz PL 196.6 control channel you're hearing is indeed Fremont Peak. It is in the database for the PG&E MPT-1327 system here:

No Fremont Peak voice frequencies have been identified yet so this is a great opportunity to find them and get them submitted to the database. You may also wish to start a separate thread here in the California Radio Discussion Forum to post your findings.

When you run unitrunker on that frequency with your RTL-SDR, it should say that the Fremont Peak control channel is site number 5189 (in hexidecimal) or 20873 (in decimal), I believe Unitrunker uses hex. It will then monitor the control channel for system activity, such as user radios joining or logging off the trunking system and making voice calls. If they make a voice call, another logical channel number (LCN) will show up on screen with the talkgroup and radio ID in use.

The misc system information in the database shows a table of base frequencies and step sizes which you'll need to use to convert the LCN to an actual UHF frequency to listen to voice traffic on your scanner.

This wide area MPT-1327 system - currently under construction - will eventually contain approximately 100+ sites and serve both PG&E Gas and Electric operations. Each site has its own hexidecimal "system ID", and all sites are networked together to allow users seamless roaming through PG&E's entire coverage area. Mobile registrations are required at the site in order to make it broadcast specific talkgroups.

The Base frequencies and Step sizes are below, which should be complete, and will serve to calculate most of the channels.

Ranges​
Start​
End​
Spacing​
PL​
000-161​
451.000000​
453.012500​
12.5kHz​
196.6​
162-213​
454.018750​
454.656250​
12.5kHz​
196.6​
214-364​
460.650000​
462.525000​
12.5kHz​
196.6​
365-510​
463.200000​
465.012500​
12.5kHz​
196.6​
511-672​
451.000000​
453.012500​
12.5kHz​
199.9​
673-724​
454.018750​
454.656250​
12.5kHz​
199.9​
725-875​
460.650000​
462.525000​
12.5kHz​
199.9​
876-1019​
463.200000​
465.012500​
12.5kHz​
199.9​
Each site's hexadecimal sysid is a make-up of several MPT network identifiers. Below both Zone and Site # are shown. Each site - unless noted on the site's page - uses a CTCSS tone of 196.6. Some sites have been known to change to 199.9 and update their channel ID accordingly (see table).

The formula used to convert MPT-1327 LCN to an actual frequency is "Frequency = (LCN * 0.0125) + Base".

In the tables above the ranges are the ranges of LCNs in that row, Start is the base frequency and 0.0125 is 12.5 KHz converted to MHz.

For example if you found LCN 161 on Unitrunker while monitoring the control channel and wanted to find that voice frequency on your scanner, you would do (161 * 0.0125) + 451.000 = 453.0125 MHz.

Good luck! The PG&E MPT-1327 system is incomplete in the database and could use some TLC, but most don't care to monitor it.
 

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Would it be easier to get all the info in here? (see picture!).
I am a Moto guy, but the cables look plentiful on ebay.
I have found two STRONG control channels, 464.1625 and 451.0625 that are not on the Loma Or Fremont Peak licenses. They are much stronger than the two weak ones licensed, 464.0375 and 464.0875.
 

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I just submitted to RR for site 21273 (Fresno). Been hearing traffic off and on for two days. Just cannot make out the area in the comms yet. Using SDRTunk 3.1 for the decode

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