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To all the Public Safety men and women, thank you for their outstanding work.
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FYI, I'm not necessarily "defending" the fact this was all broadcast in real-time (although I did listen to the feed for several hours at work today, and I admittedly found it riveting). Regardless, IMO if he was listening, it almost certainly would have caused him to surrender. Indeed, anyone with enough "sense" to bring a scanner to a scene like this, would only conclude from a few minutes of listening they had no hope of escaping and should either give up, or take themselves out. Are they hoping to use their scanner to develop an ad-hoc "escape" route for I-25 and head to Kansas?
However, I say it's highly, highly, highly (highly) unlikely he was listening. If you're holed up inside a building and you hear 1 hour of nonstop blaring sirens and then later hear a bearcat drive through an exterior wall and park near the room you're hiding out in, are you seriously going to learn anything "tactically useful" by listening to the radios of the officers inside the Bearcat parked right next to you? Moreover, you would probably have to make special preparations (i.e. in-ear monitors or headphones) just to retain the ability to HEAR your scanner over all the sirens, people screaming etc.
W8RMH
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Broadcastify admins posted 30 minutes of the audio on Facebook. This surprises me considering an officer and 2 civilians died of their injuries.
https://youtu.be/Oiwu0Q46ZhI
In the short clip that was posted I didn't really hear anything that the suspect could have used to his advantage. I am also shocked that the ops were not moved to a tactical channel, unless the feed was streaming that channel too. I did hear the scanner changing channels at one point.
https://youtu.be/Oiwu0Q46ZhI
In the short clip that was posted I didn't really hear anything that the suspect could have used to his advantage. I am also shocked that the ops were not moved to a tactical channel, unless the feed was streaming that channel too. I did hear the scanner changing channels at one point.
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superfreak
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He would have shot the cameras if he heard the radio traffic...
I understand the concern and did not intend to post a play by play, just to illustrate how riveting it was.
W8RMH
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The adrenaline can start to flow while listening to something like this and I can see where one may be inclined to post some details in a forum. I would however been more concerned with the live audio instead of a few comments in a forum.
At the time, the networks were all covering the Bearcat deployment already. Poster didn't give anything away.
Moosemedic
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There were posts that the ADMIN had to delete that never should have been here.
Enough said
Enough said
Ah, OK. I had believed the moderator thought that the post just *prior* to his comment was the offender. Makes sense now. Wasn't around a computer for most of the day and was just now reading the thread for the first time.
Will be nice for a change to hear the shooter's side of the story. Most of the time when bad things like this happen, we're left with the open question of "What was that idiot thinking?" Having successfully avoided 'suicide by cop', perhaps they will actually extract an answer this time. It doesn't change the outcome, but I think the public is always interested in the motivation. Without that, it always seems more random, and hence, scarier, though it shouldn't be any less scary one way or the other.
Will be nice for a change to hear the shooter's side of the story. Most of the time when bad things like this happen, we're left with the open question of "What was that idiot thinking?" Having successfully avoided 'suicide by cop', perhaps they will actually extract an answer this time. It doesn't change the outcome, but I think the public is always interested in the motivation. Without that, it always seems more random, and hence, scarier, though it shouldn't be any less scary one way or the other.
Denverpilot
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You'll never ever hear it. Not from him.
Lawyer certainly told him to shut up the instant he got access to him, and even the worst lawyer wouldn't allow him to speak to anyone about his motives or what any of his experience was like; anything he says "can and will be used against him in a Court of Law".
Let alone the Court of Public Opinion...
Plus whatever little you'll hear will be filtered through the media editors and won't be his words.
Trial will be quite a while from now. You'll see information about his background, character, and words, third hand, sometime in 2017.
You'll never ever hear his medical history, mental health state, or prescription drug cocktail, if he has one.
A modern Colorado jury didn't execute the last one, and he killed a lot more people, so don't hold your breath on this one either.
With appeals and what not, maybe he'll do an interview with "Forensic Files" for cable TV around 2025 or so.
W8RMH
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"The shooter's side of the story"? I think anyone who would walk into a place and start shooting innocent people at random has serious mental issues regardless of any motive.
As a police officer I worked in abortion clinics when they were being bombed and doctors were being murdered.
Regardless of one's personal beliefs two wrongs don't make a right.
As a police officer I worked in abortion clinics when they were being bombed and doctors were being murdered.
Regardless of one's personal beliefs two wrongs don't make a right.
Whatever he may have told the negotiator prior to the surrender.
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