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rs96 said:
TG 533 (04-025) is confirmed as Steubenville Trucks. I work in Follansbee and listen to Aep in Steubenville and the New Alex tower. I was listening yesterday and they were talking to dispatch on it. If you know anymore Tg/Id's for Steubenville please Pm them to Me.


Thanks, Joshua

Joshua,

I'll just post here what I have.

via New Alexandria:
04-024 (533) STEUB LOC
- rid 810 is Steubenville Dispatch
05-082 (706) TELECOM 2
06-147 (887) Data Telemetry
07-124 (996) Cardinal Plant Security (believed to be)
07-124 (997) Cardinal Plant Ops (believed to be)
07-154 (1020) Cardinal Plant Rail Coordination

- 86xx rids dominate New Alex site - telemetry radios, voice radios all using 86xx rids

via Steubenville:
04-023 (531) In RRDB as STCL MCS (St. clairsville Cust Service)
- could be since very little traffic on Steub site
- rid's communicating via TG 531 include 56, 7201 and 7783
- suspect rid 56 is probably another area's dispatch

04-024 (533) STEUB LOC
- rid 810 is Steubenville Dispatch
- rids 7713-28 appear to be steubenville trucks
- rids 7986-89 also pretty active here

06-147 (887) Data Telemetry
- rids are 1315x and 1316x

via Wellsville:
04-024 (533) STEUB LOC (dominant)
- rids 771x through 772x and 798x
- rids 806, 810 (steub dispatch verified), 817 and 897
- 3-digit 8xx rids are probably dispatch or bases around steub vicinity

06-147 (887) Data Telemetry - infrequent
- rids 1315x

07-016 (910) New one - not sure what it is

For those who don't understand the term rid, it's the radio ID of the transmitting radio. This can't be seen unless you are using Unitrunker or Etrunker or something like that. But it comes in handy to determine who is transmitting once you know what some of the rids are. For instance, 810 is Steubenville dispatch - base. So it is likely that most 3-digit 80x and 81x rids are also bases from somewhere - could be around Steub or surrounding vicinity. Also, rids in the 13150-13169 range appear to all be telemetry radios - probably at power plants or substations around the steubenville area.

Make sure your LCN/frequency information for various east ohio sites is up to date - there have been quite a few updates in the past week.

Mike
 
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07-122 (994) - Heard off of either AEP New Alexandria or AEP Cameron WV (which I do not believe it was off of Cameron). Given its close proximity to other Cardinal Plant / New Alex area associated TGs, I'd guess this is at the Cardinal. As I gather more talking on it, the link will be updated.

http://ovscan.com/SS/AEP-07-122.wav

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mtindor said:
07-122 (994) - Heard off of either AEP New Alexandria or AEP Cameron WV (which I do not believe it was off of Cameron). Given its close proximity to other Cardinal Plant / New Alex area associated TGs, I'd guess this is at the Cardinal. As I gather more talking on it, the link will be updated.

Mike

07-122 (994)

http://ovscan.com/SS/AEP-07-122.wav

Updated - after a weeks worth of monitoring I still can't figure out exactly what this is. But it is being heard _only_ off of the New Alex site so I still tend to believe that it is some sort of communications within the Cardinal Plant - Brilliant, Ohio.

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07-121 (993)

Heard TG 993 (07-121) from New Alexandria site today.
- probably Cardinal Plant related given proximity to New Alex and other Cardinal TGs

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rs96 said:
Which Aep site did you hear Wheeling Trouble????

I heard Wheeling trouble off of New Alex - probably while AEP guys were working around beech bottom area. I'm sure I heard them off of more than just New Alex though, but that one is for sure. I don't hear Wheeling Trouble often on New Alex though.

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mtindor said:
After discussions with STA75 and monitoring and recording locally, we believe that TG 533 (04-025) is not STCL LOC (st clairsville) but rather STBVL LOC (steubenville crews).

AEP fleets are based regionally, not just in a particular town. You may be hearing Steubenville in the St. Clairsville fleet, but last time I was over there a few months ago I was hearing St. Clairsville units on the same fleet.

Likewise, I often hear units not based in Chillicothe operating on the Chillicothe Trouble talkgroup. And units not based in Lancaster on the Lancaster Trouble talkgroup... and so on. It varies depending on the dispatcher desk on duty (many dispatcher desks are consolidated evenings and weekends).

BTW, the fleet layout is correct; I can't name my source, but it's inside.

The talkgroup names, however, do need to be revamped. The XX-XX5 talkgroups (formerly LOC) have been showing up as TRB ("Trouble"), like STCL TRB or CHIL TRB or COLW TRB. Some have been confirmed, many have not. My next project is to go through and slice out all the talkgroups except those currently in use; the talkgroup layout shown is outdated.
 

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n8uxf said:
FYI AEP is going to go to the opensky system in the future
figures

73

I wanna see it happen. I mean the vast majority of their use is for themselves. Their network is already built out. I'm sure they have the money to do it, but somebody there has to justify the cost. It's not like their communications require something like OpenSKY for security sake (i.e. inability to listen to it on scanners).

What would be their motivation for doing this? I'll believe it when I see it.

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During the last two weeks of listening:

Site 322 MALVERN OH (CARROLL) WPLY248
855.3625 LCN1 - verified
855.7625 LCN2
859.4125 LCN3 - verified

- scanner reports site x22
- Malvern OH would fall into Network 3 - Canton OH. So site would be 322
- FCC License WPLY248 reports the following frequencies for Malvern OH
855.3625 - freq id 1 (LCN1 - verified by listening earlie the past two weeks)
855.7625 - freq id 2
859.4125 - freq id 3 (LCN1 - verified by listening 7/15/08)

So this needs added. I'll submit it but post it here in the event that it does not get added.

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During the last two weeks of listening:

Site 317 BOLIVAR OH (TUSCARAWAS) WPLY248
854.7875 LCN1 - verified
855.7875 LCN2
855.8625 LCN3
860.8375 LCN4

- scanner reports site x17
- Bolivar OH would fall into Network 3 - Canton OH. So site would be 317
- FCC License WPLY248 reports the following frequencies for Bolivar OH
854.7875 - freq id 1 (LCN1 - verified by listening 7/15/08)
855.7875
855.8625
860.8375

Disclaimer: According to FCC licensing, another AEP site (a second marietta area site - under license WQEY741) would also have 854.7875 as likely the first LCN, but it is unlikely that I heard Marietta due to the obstacles between myself and Marietta, the farther distance away from me (versus closer proximity of Bolivar), etc. Although Site ID 617 is not listed in RRDB so potentially it could have been a second Marietta site I was hearing. Im' not ruling that out, but Im betting that it is Bolivar. That same night (last night) logged the Staleys trunked system in Tuscarawas Co and some other action out there that I do not normally pick up on the ducky. So odds are the site listed above is indeed Bolivar.

Oh, and please don't lecture me about FCC 'freq ids' not necessarily equating to actual LCNs in a system. I'm aware of that. But I'm also aware that the AEP systems that I hear in my area pretty much all have LCNS that equate to their FCC DB freq id.

I won't bother submitting this one to the RRDB, but if an admin reads this and thinks it sounds valid enough to add it, please do so.

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Speculative:

Site 321 CAMERON WV (MARSHALL) WPCQ244
854.9375 LCN1 - verified
858.0625 LCN2
860.2875 LCN3

- scanner reports site x21
- Cameron WV would likely fall into Network 3 - Canton OH. So the site would be 321
- FCC License WPCQ244 reports the following frequencies for _one_of_ the Cameron WV sites:
854.9375 - freq id 1
858.0625 - freq id 2
860.2875 - freq id 3

Disclaimer:
FCC database info reports that there is WPCQ249 with Portsmouth OH having 854.9375 as the first freq id. Highly doubtful that I'd ever hear the bottom of the state on any VHF/UHF freq. FCC db also reports a site in Kentucky (again unlikely I'd hear it).

Now, FCC db also shows WPCQ256 having a site in Kingston WV (Fayette Co) having 854.9375 as the first freq id. So that _is_ a possibility and would then likely make this site 421. If this were the case, the frequencies would be 854.9375, 855.1375, 855.4375, 856.7875, 859.3375 and 860.3625.

Another thing to consider is that Kingston is well over 100 mi away from me, maybe 150 mi, and Cameron is less than 50 mi away. Then again, WV has some extremely high elevations and I wouldn't discount hte possibility of me hearing something on 800 mhz on a duck that far away under certain conditions.

At the very least, anyone in Cameron WV area should tune in to one of the three frequencies listed at the top and see if they are hearing EDACS control channel data on it.

Mike

PS: Keep in mind that WPCQ244 lists five sites all within the Wheeling area, including two Cameron sites. So even though there is a Cameron WV site already listed in the DB, that doesn't mean this one also isn't a Cameron site.
 
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Site 320 SHADYSIDE OH (BELMONT) WPCQ244
(currently listed with site ID 398 in db - since it wasn't known)

- scanner reports site x20
- belmont county is only a county away

854.8375 LCN - confirmed by listening

So I'll lay money on the fact that Site 398 in the RRDB would likely be Site 320, Shadyside OH.

Of course there are others with a likely LCN1 in the AEP network, but it is highly unlikely that I'd be hearing any of them. But they are listed below anyway.
WQCP620 WEST PORTSMOUNT OH (SCIOTO) - lcn1
WQCS820 STOCKPORT OH (MORGAN) - lcn1
WQEY359 PORTSMOUTH OH (SCIOTO) - lcn1

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Site 319 NEWCOMERSTOWN OH (TUSCARAWAS) - WPLY248
855.4375 LCN1 - per license - confirmed
859.3625 LCN2 - per license
859.9125 LCN3 - per license
860.4125 LCN4 - per license

Obviously unconfirmed LCNs aren't a sure thing.

Heard EDACS CC on 855.4375 on evening of 7/18/08
- scanner indicated LCN1
- scanner indicated site x19 (likely site 319 since one currently doesnt exist in RRDB)

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Ok, not Ohio - but pertinent to this thread.

Site x26 NEW MARTINSVILLE WV (WETZEL) WQEY741
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856.2875 FCC FREQ ID 1
857.8625 FCC FREQ ID 2 LCN2 - confirmed 7-27-08
859.7875 FCC FREQ ID 3
860.8125 FCC FREQ ID 4 LCN4 - confirmed 7-20-08


I'm guessing given how close New Martinsville is to Wheeling/Cameron (a county away), this may be Site 326 for Network 3 since Network 3 appears to cover the Northern Panhandle of WV (and then some).

Anybody around Wetzel Co want to program this one in and verify LCNs or at least check to see if you hear an EDACS control channel on one of those freqs?


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AEP Ohio - FCC Updates 7-3-09

Recent FCC application grants show that new frequencies were added to the sites below.

NOTE #1: Read the Site Notes when you click on each site to see which frequencies were added.

NOTE #2: The LCNs for the new frequencies are unconfirmed - no telling if they are even in use yet.

If you are one who monitors one of these sites, just beware that the new frequencies could be in use and that we need somebody to confirm the LCN order for those sites if this is the case

License: WPCQ246

201 ADARIO
- the following were added:

861.5625
861.9125


203 FINDLAY
- the following were added:

854.9875
856.1125


303 WOOSTER
- the following were added:

856.7625
860.0375
860.7625


License: WPCT715

204 TIFFIN
- the following were added:

861.5875
861.8375
862.2125
862.4625
862.7125


License: WPMD625

218 BUCYRUS
- the following were added:

861.3375
861.6625
862.0125


2xx PLYMOUTH (NOT in RRDB - Had existing frequencies with new ones added this week)
- the following were existing:

854.7125
855.5875
855.7125
856.2125

- the following were added:

861.2375
861.6375
862.1125
862.3625
 
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