AES encryption on Ham/ GMRS bands with a MOT APX8000 AES256 ??????

[rbluesky]

Hi
From what I read and watched on YOUTUBE that AES 256 bit p25 encryption is not allowed on HAM or UHF or VHF
AND not allowed on GMRS frequencies too Is this correct Maybe I'm just WRONG

 

[mass-man]

Not allowed...

 

[AK9R]

In the parts of the world that are under US Federal Communications Commission jurisdiction:

47 CFR 97.113(a)(4) No amateur station shall transmit...messages encoded for the purpose of obscuring their meaning, except as otherwise provided herein...

47 CFR 95.1733(a)(3) In addition to the prohibited uses outlined in § 95.333 of this chapter, GMRS stations must not communicate...Coded messages or messages with hidden meanings (“10 codes” are permissible)...

 

[N4KVE]

And yet many ham radio users are using encryption. One example is a club repeater that is only open to members of the club. All paying members of the club are given the key. So they believe since all authorized paying members of the club have the key, the repeater is open to everyone who is allowed to use it. Probably not legal, & it’s been going on for years, but no one has complained. Oh, I’m not a member so it doesn’t affect me. OTOH, some DMR repeaters are using RAS which is perfectly legal as it’s not encryption.

 

[RFI-EMI-GUY]

And yet many ham radio users are using encryption. One example is a club repeater that is only open to members of the club. All paying members of the club are given the key. So they believe since all authorized paying members of the club have the key, the repeater is open to everyone who is allowed to use it. Probably not legal, & it’s been going on for years, but no one has complained. Oh, I’m not a member so it doesn’t affect me. OTOH, some DMR repeaters are using RAS which is perfectly legal as it’s not encryption.

As far as I know, the only exceptions to encryption in Part 97 was the use of a rather simple, published, shift register sequence published for spread spectrum and frequency hopped SS experiments and possibly for amateur satellite command and control.

The "ham club" having an internal (to members) encryption key sounds like a clear violation unless they have made such a key very public so that the TLA agencies can listen in. They indeed might be able to listen in due to known clear text defects, but will be very annoyed to have to fire up the uber computer to listen to hams complaining about prostate woes.

The first rule of secret squirrel club, is not to talk about secret squirrel club.

 

[eaf1956]

Maybe they want "operator safety"

God forbid somebody finds out about their health issues.

 

[MTS2000des]

Maybe they want "operator safety"

God forbid somebody finds out about their health issues.

When my piss bag is full, I only want my secret squirrel friends to know.

 

[prcguy]

When my piss bag is full, I only want my secret squirrel friends to know.

I’m going to share my AES256 key so when my colostomy bag bursts everyone will know.

 

[KevinC]

I think we’re done here. Not sure why this ended up in the Motorola forum???