6419 St Rte 32
837 Cell Tower COUNTY TAXABLE VALUE 1,100
Bishop Daniel Greenville Cent 193201
837 Cell Tower COUNTY TAXABLE VALUE 1,100
Bishop Daniel Greenville Cent 193201
Albany County P25
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I'm right on top of a couple of these sites and have not heard a thing yet? Suggestions??
Thanks!
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Septa3371CSX1
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Since this system appears to be new and still in the build out phase, it's possible those sites/towers have not been activated yet (possibly not even built yet). One thing I've noticed with new simulcast trunk systems is one or two towers get activated initially to start the testing and then more sites come online as they are completed and move into the next phase of testing.
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DaveNF2G
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Right now, only Corning Tower is transmitting for sure. There might be another site because I have a really hard time getting the traffic to decode, which is often caused by simulcast interference. I briefly heard another control channel identifying as T0102, but that has been quiet for a few days.
Dave reading through the thread, I saw the frequency listing as well as your Pro96Com output. I also saw your comment/question about T101/T102. T101 would be the high capacity simulcast cell T102 would be the lower capacity cell, if they are indeed breaking it up into two cells. A simulcast cell is a logical tower for the purposes of this. Each tower has to have a separate set of frequencies as well because they operate independently. It is also possible that the Master site is being pre-programmed for the addition of the City of Albany system to come on as T102 with an overlay. The term "Tower" does not necessarily refer to a single physical site. CNYICC is arranged this way...each county has its own Tower ID, same system and same WACN code.
Oh gosh, please can the radio world sort out and standardize the terms 'tower' 'site' and 'zone', it gets goofy sometimes.
Studgeman, I know it is with best intentions you're working to clear up confusion, but I think I read it pretty clearly. NF2G, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you were referring to Corning Tower as the location of a physical tower and transmitter. This would explain your allusion to LSM garble, if there was another physical transmitter on the air simulcasting the same transmissions. Thus, site 0102 would be your only reference to a different logical system site/zone (depending on whose term you want to use)... On the money?
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DaveNF2G
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dpcain, pretty much. 
The Tower designations, whether physical or virtual, will be meaningless to the scanner user when the system is in full operation and simulcasting. That being said, certain physical locations will have transmitter combinations that are different from most of the others. According to the license data, Corning Tower, the A.E. Smith Building - and Denison Road (which does not appear on the County system licenses) - will have more channels than the rest of the sites.
This makes sense if you look at population density and the consequent number of likely simultaneous users of the system. Those sites cover Albany and Colonie, where most of the radio traffic will be originating.
I don't believe anything will be gained by setting up a scanner with separate Sites. The scanner should work just as well (or poorly, given that it will be a self-jamming simulcast system) if the user programs the system as if it had one site with all of the frequencies on it.
The Tower designations, whether physical or virtual, will be meaningless to the scanner user when the system is in full operation and simulcasting. That being said, certain physical locations will have transmitter combinations that are different from most of the others. According to the license data, Corning Tower, the A.E. Smith Building - and Denison Road (which does not appear on the County system licenses) - will have more channels than the rest of the sites.
This makes sense if you look at population density and the consequent number of likely simultaneous users of the system. Those sites cover Albany and Colonie, where most of the radio traffic will be originating.
I don't believe anything will be gained by setting up a scanner with separate Sites. The scanner should work just as well (or poorly, given that it will be a self-jamming simulcast system) if the user programs the system as if it had one site with all of the frequencies on it.
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DaveNF2G
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Oh, and I do have three physical sites that are nearby, and most of the others will be close enough to contribute to the RF bedlam at my location.
On further reflection, it does seem possible that Corning and Smith will not cross-simulcast. They are in nearly the same spot and each covers a very large area, so some frequency agility could be useful.
On further reflection, it does seem possible that Corning and Smith will not cross-simulcast. They are in nearly the same spot and each covers a very large area, so some frequency agility could be useful.
i believe the city of albany is split the same way one tower hold the "downtown radio traffic" while the other Runs "uptown radio traffic"
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DaveNF2G
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If you're referring to BB37/CC2F, they are not the same system. One is public safety and the other is DGS. There are supposed to be backup talkgroups available across systems, but they are practically never used.
I'm told Watervliet, Green Island, and Cohoes Police all switched over full time to the system yesterday around noon. I'm hearing a lot of activity TGID 11003 which is listed in the DB as "County Law 1."
Sounds like Watervliet is now using 98xx ID's. I'm also hearing some 62xx ID's as well.
Sounds like Watervliet is now using 98xx ID's. I'm also hearing some 62xx ID's as well.
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DaveNF2G
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It looks like the T0101 designation (as reported by PRO96COM and some scanners) is probably the Metrocell "site" and T0102 will be the designation for the rest of the system.
Good Morning!
So I went in today to the database after reading all of these and made some updates to what I had programmed and still nothing?
Just how "brisk" is all this traffic everyone was hearing?
Help is appreciated!
Thanks!
So I went in today to the database after reading all of these and made some updates to what I had programmed and still nothing?
Just how "brisk" is all this traffic everyone was hearing?
Help is appreciated!
Thanks!
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DaveNF2G
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ACSD Sheriff Dispatch is on there, so that talkgroup (10003) is busy.
Between TG 10003 which is simulcasting ACSO Dispatch from VHF and TG 11003 which is the new dispatch channel for Cohoes PD, Green Island PD, and Watervliet PD, I'd say there is at least a transmission or two every minute depending on what time of day you listen. It is a simulcast system and so reception may vary depending on where you are listening from.
The current control channel is 859.7125. Make sure you you can receive that. Then make sure that your scanner, in trunking mode, is landing on that control channel and not the Colonie one (issue another poster had, I think in a different thread).
What model scanner do you have? With my HP-1, I had to open the squelch wide to hear any audio due to the simulcast issues. Made a huge difference.
Thank you all for the replies.
The control channel was my next move. Home QTH is Glenmont NY.
I'll keep listening!!
The control channel was my next move. Home QTH is Glenmont NY.
I'll keep listening!!
Sorry! It's a PSR 500??
I can confirm that Watervliet PD is using the 9800 series numbers; they've started changing their license plates on their vehicles to reflect the change. Also, I've heard cross-system testing of 7600 units on the Cohoes PD VHF channel before it went silent. If I had to guess, I'd say the 6200 series may be Green Island PD.
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