Albany County P25

[kc2smb]

Unication

Monitoring the Albany Co system great up here in Saratoga County. I became frustrated with the multicast problems with the scanners that are currently on the market. Bought myself a Unication G4 P25 trunking scanning "pager" This thing is easy to program with the free software and included cable. I had it clipped to the visor of the Jeep and was able to monitor Saratoga County on a drive up to Granville, down to Hoosick Falls and around Sacandaga Lake I work in downtown Albany and I can receive Saratoga County sitting at my desk. They have figured out the problem with multicast. I dare say it receives as well as the Motorola XTS5000 800 P25 portable I have. Does anybody else have one ?

 

[hummn]

Sending tones today

Ran win 500 for about a week came up with these ID's

1 - radio repair
9991 - x-1
10002- traffic 1
10003- dispatch 1
10006- traffic 2
10604- encrypted 1
10723- fire ops
11003- dispatch 2
11006- encrypted 2
11702- fire control
11721- ?-1
11722- ?-2
11943- encrypted-3
11953- ?-3
11983- encrypted-4

 

[DaveNF2G]

Where are those group designators coming from? I have only heard someone refer to 11003 by name, and they called it "Law 2".

 

[DaveNF2G]

Here is my latest compilation, based on monitoring from the office with a BCD396XT and from home with PRO96COM:

ALBANY COUNTY P25 (Phase I) LSM TRUNKED SYSTEM
SysID: 0695 WACN: BEE00 NAC: 0690

Phase 1 (Metrocell)
851.2625i, 852.5750v, 853.3625v, 855.7125v, 856.1125a, 859.7125cc

Phase 2 (no active sites yet)
851.7375, 852.1875 .9500, 854.0375 .5375, 857.0375

The Metrocell also announces 859.2625 and 860.2625 as alternate CCs, but they are still active on Colonie's system.

TGID
10002 Fire Dispatch (testing)
10003 COUNTY LAW 1(Sheriff & Coeymans) (simulcast 159.360/154.740)
10604 unknown
10723 Cohoes fire
11003 COUNTY LAW 2 (Cohoes, Green Island, Watervliet)
11006 unknown
11702 Watervliet/Green Island fire
11943 unknown

RID blocks
0000040# County Dispatch consoles
000099## simulcast patches
130662## Cohoes PD cars
130663## Cohoes PD portables
130776## Green Island PD cars
130777## Green Island PD portables
130990## Watervliet PD portables
130991## Watervliet PD portables
130998## Watervliet PD cars
150607## Cohoes FD
150936## Watervliet FD

NPSPAC Interop Channels: 851.0125 and 852.5125 at Corning Tower and Pinnacle

 

[hummn]

Where are those group designators coming from? I have only heard someone refer to 11003 by name, and they called it "Law 2".

Sorry those are my tags to help me figure out what is what,the only one I heard designated was the fire ops channel yesterday they told someone to goto the ops channel then that's the channel that they finished their conversation on. The others such as traffic I may have heard a traffic stop and license check
have about 12 more hits yesterday not sure what they are,I wasn't able to monitor them at the time.
Some I have cross referenced on the database like radio repair,
Once again sorry was just trying to help,

 

[DaveNF2G]

Sorry those are my tags to help me figure out what is what,the only one I heard designated was the fire ops channel yesterday they told someone to goto the ops channel then that's the channel that they finished their conversation on. The others such as traffic I may have heard a traffic stop and license check
have about 12 more hits yesterday not sure what they are,I wasn't able to monitor them at the time.
Some I have cross referenced on the database like radio repair,
Once again sorry was just trying to help,

No need to apologize. It might have been helpful to state that up front.

The "fire ops" channel you found belongs to Cohoes.

 

[hummn]

Heard 11983 referred to as channel 3 as well as TAC

RID for albany water 160203xx

Trying out the pro96com.Nice program

 

[DaveNF2G]

10723 Cohoes fire
11702 Watervliet/Green Island fire

I might have these reversed.

 

[hummn]

Not sure of the tags once again these are my tags,Been monitoring the water channels.These are the TGIDs they have used in the past week

Water has used several interagency tgid's(2,4,8,10,12,14,16) the one I posted (IA16) is not listed in the database.

The (enc) water has not used.10604 several agencies have used mostly encrypted heard only 2 not encrypted the rest have all been encrypted.

Water has tested the ones i marked DGS.

have alot more unknowns ill try to identify them and post in the future

?-5, ?-6 water tested.



9916 INTERAGENCY 16

10604 (ENC)-1

10724 ?-01

10726 DGS-WATER - 01

10761 DGS-WATER - 02

10771 ?-02"

10921 DGS-WATER - 03

10927 DGS-WATER - 04

10961 ?-03

11212 (ENC)-2

11722 ?-04

11943 (ENC)-3

11951 ?-05

11953 (ENC)-4

13004 DGS-01

13031 DGS-02

13101 DGS-03

13202 DGS-04

13521 ALBANY WATER-1

13801 DGS-05

13802 DGS-06

13803 DGS-07

13804 ?-05

13805 DGS-08

13806 DGS-09

13807 NULL

13808 DGS-10

13809 DGS-11

13810 DGS-12

13811 DGS-13

13812 DGS-14

13821 ALBANY WATER-2

13822 DGS-15

13849 NULL

18301 ?-06

 

[hummn]

Radio tester for water comes over as RID# 16020303,16020405
Water Dispatcher/Base 16020338
16020340 WATER-DGS 40 CUSTOMER SERVICE
15099000 Watervliet Fire Chief


Have a question, does anyone know who the RIDs sterting with 1000 are such as 10003960
Are they Albany Airport? or Albany Correctional?All have been encrypted.

 

[FDNY10-75]

Radio tester for water comes over as RID# 16020303,16020405
Water Dispatcher/Base 16020338
16020340 WATER-DGS 40 CUSTOMER SERVICE
15099000 Watervliet Fire Chief


Have a question, does anyone know who the RIDs sterting with 1000 are such as 10003960
Are they Albany Airport? or Albany Correctional?All have been encrypted.

Those are ACSO Deputies and Investigators.

 

[hummn]

Thank you FDNY 10-75
Before I had the pro96com program I heard them reference 229 airport.Have not heard anything since.Does the airport run off this system?
Watervliet was patching into troy yesterday on tgid 10725,10728 ,11722 not sure if they are watervliet or troy.

1 RADIO REPAIR
407 FIRE
1412 ?-01
9002 INTERAGENCY A
9901 INTERAGENCY 01
9902 INTERAGENCY 02
9903 INTERAGENCY 03
9904 INTERAGENCY 04
9905 INTERAGENCY 05
9906 INTERAGENCY 06
9907 INTERAGENCY 07
9908 INTERAGENCY 08
9909 INTERAGENCY 09
9910 INTERAGENCY 10
9911 INTERAGENCY 11
9912 INTERAGENCY 12
9913 INTERAGENCY 13
9914 INTERAGENCY 14
9916 INTERAGENCY 16
9991 EMERGENCY BUTTON
10002 COUNTY WIDE
10003 ALBANY CO SHERIFF-2
10006 ALBANY CO SHERIFF-3
10012 ALBANY CO SHERIFF-SECURE
10101 EMERGENCY OPS
10604 (ENC)-1
10702 FIRE 1
10723 FIRE OPS COHOES
10724 ?-02
10725 TROY FD WATERVLIET 1?
10728 TROY FD WATERVLIET 2?
10726 DGS-WATER - 01
10761 DGS-WATER - 02
10771 ?-03
10801 ?-04
10921 DGS-WATER - 03
10927 DGS-WATER - 04
10961 ?-05
11003 ALBANY CO SHERIFF-1
11006 ALBANY CO SHERIFF-4
11212 (ENC)-2
11702 FIRE-2
11721 FIRE OPS WATERVLIET
11722 WATERVLIET-TROY? FIRE X
11723 FIRE OPS COHOES
11943 COHOES PD 3 TAC-(ENC)
11951 GREEEN ISLAND PD 1 TAC-(ENC)
11953 GREEEN ISLAND PD 3 TAC-(ENC)
11983 WATERVLIET PD 3 TAC-(ENC)
13004 DGS-WATER - 05
13031 DGS-WATER - 06
13101 DGS-WATER - 07
13202 DGS-WATER - 08
13521 DGS-WATER - 09
13801 WATER - 01
13802 WATER - 02
13803 WATER - 03
13804 WATER - 04
13805 WATER - 05
13806 WATER - 06
13807 WATER - 07
13808 WATER - 08
13809 WATER - 09
13810 WATER - 10
13811 WATER - 11
13812 WATER - 12
13821 WATER - DISPATCH MAIN
13822 WATER - CUSTOMER SERVICE
13849 (null)
13851 (null)
15002 COLONIE PD
18301 ?-06

Cross referenced most on the database,I know one of the ?- is fire related just forget what one Ill try to identify at a later time.

 

[DaveNF2G]

Before I had the pro96com program I heard them reference 229 airport.

Probably a Sheriff's unit assigned to the airport.

 

[hummn]

Thank you DaveNF2G

Think 10726 DGS-WATER - 01 belongs with TROY FD WATERVLIET
Might have copied wrong.

 

[DaveNF2G]

I think you're right. There are consistent patterns in TGID assignments.

BTW, Cohoes, Green Island and Watervliet FDs are now being toned out and dispatched on FIRE 1.

 

[hummn]

Thank you again,
I really don't know that much about Watervliet Cohoes or Green Island,I'll basically be tracking the new TGID's and the Albany City groups that switch over.Right now being Water.
I may be wrong but I think the DGS-WATER may be water dept talking to albany pd and fd.Wasn't able to catch if they were affiliated or not.
Was at the fire in Albany the other day and the water dept was on the scene.

 

[n2vsb]

Confirmation of 62XX units

Interesting that you heard 7600 units on Cohoes PD VHF because from the traffic I've been hearing, I would have thought 7600 units were Green Island and 6200 were Cohoes. I have heard a lot more traffic from 6200 units going on calls that appear to be in the City of Cohoes. I barely hear many 7600 unit and based on the size of Green Island I would have assumed that was why. I certainly could be wrong though. I'll have to keep an ear out for more 7600 units.

As far as RIDs go, they appear to be lining up somewhat with unit numbers. For example unit 6210's mobile appear to be 13066210 and their portable appear to be 130663xx but those do no line up with the unit numbers. My guess is that the portable is assigned to the officer and not the unit which is what a lot of other places do as well. 9800 units appear to be 130998xx and their portables appear to be 130991xx and 130990xx. Again the mobiles appear to match where the portables do not. I have not heard enough 7600 units to say for sure if they match but the few I have heard did match.

Another interesting note is that serveral times I have heard 6200 units and 9800 units refer to "Channel 3" and "The TAC Channel" and then they switch to an encrypted TG that appears to be specific to that agency. Initially this would appear as though each agency is getting it's own encrypted TG but it may be to early to say that for sure. We'll have to see as other agencies join on, how that pans out. Besides the previous comment about Cohoes FD switching next week, has anyone else heard anything about timeline for other agencies? The only other thing I heard was that ACSO would be last.

I can confirm that the 62xx units are from the city of Cohoes. This lines up with their old numbers for the units, as well as the original unit license plates. As I recall from the old analog frequencies, all unit number were 2XX. now I am hearing 62xx with references to locations within the city of Cohoes. Additionally, the license plates (so far) have not changed.

Todd

 

[DaveNF2G]

I goofed on the fire talkgroup comment above.

Cohoes, Green Island and Watervliet are being dispatched and operating on FIRE 2, which was patched to 460.100 until everybody involved had 800 MHz radios.

Hill Towns (everybody on 154.415) is patched to FIRE 1.

The three PDs for the above mentioned municipalities are operating on LAW 2, which is (or was) patched to the original channels.

Sheriff (159.360) and Coeymans-Ravena (154.740) are patched to LAW 1.

For clarity:

LAW 1 is 10003
LAW 2 is 11003
FIRE 1 is 10702
FIRE 2 is 11702

 

[DaveNF2G]

For reference, here is the official countywide unit numbering scheme that is being imposed on agencies as they switch to the new system. Some have been using it all along.

FIRE and EMS

1 - Albany City
2 - Altamont (Guilerland Company #1)
3 - Berne
4 - Boght Community (Colonie Company #1)
5 - Coeymans
6 - Coeymans Hollow
7 - Cohoes City
8 - Colonie Village (Colonie Company #2)
9 - Delmar (Bethlehem Company #2)
10 - Elsmere (Bethlehem Company #3)
11 - Fort Hunter (Guilderland Company #3)
12 - Fuller Road (Colonie Company #3)
13 - Green Island Village
14 - Guilderland (Guilderland Company #2?)
15 - Guilderland Center (Guilderland Company #4?)
16 - Knox
17 - Latham (Colonie Company #4)
18 - Medusa
19 - Maplewood (Colonie Company #5)
20 - McKownville (Guilderland Company #5)
21 - Menands Village (Colonie Company #6)
22 - Midway (Colonie Company #7)
23 - New Salem
24 - North Bethlehem (Guilderland Company #6)
25 - Onesquethaw
26 - Ravena Village
27 - Rensselaerville
28 - Schuyler Heights (Colonie Company #8)
29 - Selkirk (Bethlehem Company #4)
30 - Shaker Road - Loudonville (Colonie Company #9)
31 - Slingerlands (Bethlehem Company #1)
32 - Stanford Heights (Colonie Company #10 / Schenectady County Company #43)
33 - Tri-Village
34 - Verdoy (Colonie Company #11)
35 - Voorheesville
36 - Watervliet
37 - Albany International Airport
38 - West Albany (Colonie Company #12)
39 - Westerlo
40 - Westmere (Guilderland Company #9)
41 - Watervliet Arsenal

50 - Altamont Rescue
51 - Bethlehem EMS
52 - Five Quad Rescue
53 - Helderberg Ambulance
54 - Rensselaerville Ambulance
56 - Voorheesville Ambulance
57 - Western Turnpike Rescue
58 - Ravena Rescue
59 - Westerlo Ambulance

70 - New Baltimore
72 - Huntersland
73 - Greenville
74 - East Durham
75 - Gallupville
76 - Livingstonville
77 - Middleburgh
78 - Oak Hill-Durham
79 - Medway-Grapeville

80 - Colonie EMS

POLICE

Albany PD
Albany CSO
Altamont
Bethlehem
59 Coeymans-Ravena
62 Cohoes
Colonie
76 Green Island
Guilderland
Menands
SUNY PD
98 Watervliet
Watervliet Arsenal

I don't have a list of the rest of the police numbers yet.

 

[bob550]

So, reading all the prior posts suggests that all Public Safety comms in the county will eventually be P25. Is that essentially correct? It would also appear that this system will be Phase 1? Completion of the transition, I would think, should take several years considering all the communities involved, and their individual budgetary requirements. Is there any rough timetable to this conversion?