• Effective immediately we will be deleting, without notice, any negative threads or posts that deal with the use of encryption and streaming of scanner audio.

    We've noticed a huge increase in rants and negative posts that revolve around agencies going to encryption due to the broadcasting of scanner audio on the internet. It's now worn out and continues to be the same recycled rants. These rants hijack the threads and derail the conversation. They no longer have a place anywhere on this forum other than in the designated threads in the Rants forum in the Tavern.

    If you violate these guidelines your post will be deleted without notice and an infraction will be issued. We are not against discussion of this issue. You just need to do it in the right place. For example:
    https://forums.radioreference.com/rants/224104-official-thread-live-audio-feeds-scanners-wait-encryption.html

Algonquin College System Confusion

fmoore

Member
Joined
Jun 15, 2009
Messages
68
Location
Ottawa, Canada
I have been monitoring this system and trying to identify all the TGID's that pop up. The confusion is lying in the appearance of multiple tags for the same Channel for example:
Algonquin Security Main is TGID 10 and I can hear all of the conversations on this TG
and I have heard what sounds like bits of one sided conversation for Algonquin Security Main on TGID 74 and a couple others. Is there an issue with how the system is programmed or is it how the system works like some sort of simulcast?

On a related note certain TGIDs are appearing on three systems with the same number sequence is this a normal coincidence or are the systems overlapping in some way?
Algonquin, Turris main and GOTBRO
For Example some TGID's that raised my eyebrows are:
11000104 Appears on both Algonquin System and GOTBRO I have not been able to identify it as of yet.
Algonquin 538463 looks like a number sequence that is more like the Turris network pattern also being unidentified
1120 appears in the GOTBRO system and doesn't match the pattern and looks more like a Turris system.

I am using a BCD436HP with Proscan with the latest updates and this has been appearing for at least 4 months.
Frank
 

IdleMonitor

Member
Joined
Feb 17, 2005
Messages
2,410
Location
The Ottawa Valley - Eastern Ontario
I have a feeling you have something wrong with your programming. I see no talkgroup crossovers at all between GoTRBO and PushPlush networks.

TG 11000104 GoTRBO sounds very much like a construction company out of Carleton Place.

Perhaps you have a frequency that's wrong. I do see that Algonquin System has a frequency of 461.2875 while GoTRBO has a frequency of 461.3875 listed as a Pakenham Tower frequency. 461.5875 is a frequency on the PushPlush Network on the Chateau Royale Tower Site 003.
You might have your Algonquin system programmed with the wrong frequency.

These are the radio ID's I have listed for the TG 1000104
102001
102002
102003
102004
102006
102008
102010
102014
102015
102017
102018
102019
102021
102022
102024
102025 - Dispatch Office
102027
102029
102032
102037
102041
102043

TG 1120 is a PushPlus Talkgroup not a GOTRBO talkgroup
TG 538463 is a PushPlus Talkgroup not a GOTRBO Talkgroup.

Check over each site frequency for each system to make sure you have the correct frequencies attached to the right sites in the right systems.
 

mmisk

Member
Joined
Jul 4, 2003
Messages
570
Location
Ottawa, Canada
If you have an SDR USB device download the latest version of Unitrunker. Inexpensive way to listen. The latest version only works with Win 10.
 

IdleMonitor

Member
Joined
Feb 17, 2005
Messages
2,410
Location
The Ottawa Valley - Eastern Ontario
He's using a 436HP, same radio I have. I have no issues with these systems at all with the exception of Algonquin because I can't even hear it from my location.

Already suggested to make sure the frequencies are inputted properly for each site and system. My guess is he's flubbed a frequency and that's it.
 

mciupa

DB Administrator
Moderator
Joined
Nov 5, 2002
Messages
6,835
Let's wait for Frank to report back on his programming and see if things will be resolved.
 

mciupa

DB Administrator
Moderator
Joined
Nov 5, 2002
Messages
6,835
After ATCTech responded to those deleted items prior to their deletion, I returned them for continuity. Once fmoore responds, we will be in our lane again.
 

fmoore

Member
Joined
Jun 15, 2009
Messages
68
Location
Ottawa, Canada
Thank you for all your help.

I double checked my tower frequencies and made sure they matched the right systems and I appear not to have any mistakes when it comes to that possible source of error.

I will go into my raw data to show what popped up in the with the software and maybe that might help point us in the right direction. The following data is what I have gathered.

For more information the following shows up on the Algonquin System This Tag I hear no problem:
Tag 10, 461.287500/2, Tone CC3, UID 341, NFM, Followed by the time and Algonquin Security Main

For the ones I am observing that we all are questioning:

11000104, 461.462500/1, CC 1, NFM, Hits 5, ... Turris Communications-Push Plus (UHF 201)-Crosswinds - ... my sub category

538660 452.312500/1, CC2, NFM, Hits 2, GOTBRO Network - Camp Fortune...

If anyone has any further questions feel free to ask to trouble shoot this.
Frank
 

mmisk

Member
Joined
Jul 4, 2003
Messages
570
Location
Ottawa, Canada
...and when did I miss the email that Unitrunker suddenly supports DMR systems? NOT.

IdleMonitor is right, time for a reboot on this thread.

I was using my cellphone and somehow my post went into this thread.
It should have been a reply to: Listening to FleetNet on a DMR radio by jrroy1984
I usually use my computer to post messages.
Sorry bout that!
 

fmoore

Member
Joined
Jun 15, 2009
Messages
68
Location
Ottawa, Canada
My primary question might be explained in another place but my question is: Are there other ways other than simply listening to conversation and using clues to identify reliably the users of TGIDs? I am aware of the so so TAFL searches and antenna spotting. One of my ongoing projects is to help clean up the local DB from the generic labels of Construction or Courier and what not and actually put names on those. This would be the link to the above thread to keep it on topic.
Secondarily through the process of triple checking the programming I discovered the following. This also might help other listeners, I have discovered that I have locked out Tags per the category as I classify them in Proscan. For example I had recently classified LRT Tags as Railroad from Transportation(from DB) and I discovered that I had deactivated that and other groupings in the scanner. I had been baffled as to why that went silent during the City Testing of LRT. That also explains why tags that shouldn't have been that hard to hear were silent also.

Thanks for all your help.
Frank
 

IdleMonitor

Member
Joined
Feb 17, 2005
Messages
2,410
Location
The Ottawa Valley - Eastern Ontario
Yes. A lot of mundane listening needs to be done. But it takes a skillful ear sometimes to pick out the types of conversations being had. Is it construction type business, security, transportation, delivery etc.? Locations, having Google Maps handy to pick out street and road names etc., trying to narrow it down to where is it that I'm listening to.

Some of these trunked systems are very wide area coverage. What county or towns and cities are mentioned etc.? Then you can try and figure out all the more local simplex or repeater type digital stuff as well.

It is a hobby for me that I've been lucky to have for almost 25 years. So I try to make the most of it.

I try to attach radio id's also to talkgroups whenever possible also. Helps narrow down channel 1 and channel 2 type scenarios.

TAFL is helpful when finding new frequencies then sorting them all out later.

I don't lock out any tags. I keep them all available. If I'm being selective to what I wanna listen to. I just adjust my available quick keys to my listening preference at the time.

My primary question might be explained in another place but my question is: Are there other ways other than simply listening to conversation and using clues to identify reliably the users of TGIDs? I am aware of the so so TAFL searches and antenna spotting. One of my ongoing projects is to help clean up the local DB from the generic labels of Construction or Courier and what not and actually put names on those. This would be the link to the above thread to keep it on topic.
Secondarily through the process of triple checking the programming I discovered the following. This also might help other listeners, I have discovered that I have locked out Tags per the category as I classify them in Proscan. For example I had recently classified LRT Tags as Railroad from Transportation(from DB) and I discovered that I had deactivated that and other groupings in the scanner. I had been baffled as to why that went silent during the City Testing of LRT. That also explains why tags that shouldn't have been that hard to hear were silent also.

Thanks for all your help.
Frank
 

fmoore

Member
Joined
Jun 15, 2009
Messages
68
Location
Ottawa, Canada
I did a Excell sheet with the UID vs TGID's for The Algonquin System Tags so this is my resulting chart.
ALG UIDFrench ComsJanitorial
TGIDSecurity Main 10Security CH2?? 14Repeater? 26
28​
22​
86​
29​
21​
16​
62​
31​
139863652​
17​
1​
148​
3070​
3044​
3044​
3021​
3021​
3021​
3021​
3018​
3068​
3017​
3017​
3065​
3016​
3062​
3015​
3014​
3039​
3011​
3011​
3033​
3010​
3028​
3008​
3023​
3007​
3022​
3001​
 
Top