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Joseph11

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Does anyone still hear Red Cross operations on low band? I live in New Jersey but can't find much information on their low band system. If anyone has information on their low band system (high band too), please post it. I believe they use the same low band channel plan nationwide. Thanks.
 
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Very, very seldom are they active on 47.42 MHz even in California, a very populated place. They have many licenses on UHF channels where they are quite active.
Here are some licensed channels for the Red Cross in NJ:
Just click on the links to see the FCC pages:
http://tinyurl.com/eq5ot
http://tinyurl.com/gb7q6
http://tinyurl.com/kp46b
http://tinyurl.com/jebsq
http://tinyurl.com/hnc86
http://tinyurl.com/jfox8
http://tinyurl.com/gr6c5
http://tinyurl.com/kbtt9
http://tinyurl.com/gcjul
http://tinyurl.com/jy4zo
http://tinyurl.com/kqgaq
http://tinyurl.com/o3u45
 

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Thanks for the information, but I'm looking for channel plans and PL tones/DPL codes. I remember putting 47.42 MHz in my dad's scanner when I was younger.
 

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Here in the Ft. Lauderdale, Fla. area, the Red Cross has a talkgroup set aside for them on the county's 800 MHz trunked system, which they do use. Last time I checked, they still had a tower at their headquarters with a low band ground plane antenna on it, but I don't know how extensively they still use low band, if at all.
 
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I've seen/heard 47.58 used in Rochester ,NY.

47.58 is Rural/Metro's primary dispatch frequency, inherited from National Ambulance. The Red Cross in Rochester has only ever used 47.42 MHz on low band.
 

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Concur with b7S, RC has acquired some more modern equipment. They have outfitted some Hummer's as mobile communications posts but they appear to see primary use as backups when cell phones don't work.

Outfitting all of their personel with a galatic radio array would be very expensive. Cell phones are cheap and do the job most of the time.

In the event of a widespread disaster that takes out communications infrastructure, they still call upon ham radio operators to help pass their traffic on the short term.

Video killed the radio star ? For us it's cellular killed the scanner star !

Now you're going to have that song playing in your head all day. You're welcome ;-)
 

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Re; red cross lo band reception.....

About a year ago or so,I read an article somewhere that the ARC was opting for a
national simplex on Vhf Hi. This freq. being 155.1600 but this is not written in
stone,nor am i certain which areas of the country this applies to.
I still have 47.4200 in my stuff. In '91 I was sent by county to the emrgency services
institute @ bradley univ. in peoria il. for training.
As of that time lo band was still being used.
Also the ARC has several "VERY NICE" Ford Expeditions, custom built w/ everything
from dc to daylight!!
I was able to download pics of this marvel from the ARC's website. Inside and out!
Yes,it's ok to drool! I DID.
 

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47.42 is licensed in Nebraska (KWQ530), I've never heard them talk on it. They also have quite a few UHF freqs (KD52911). This is used also when they need to talk to the Salvation Army who is also on UHF around here.

And as ReceiverBeaver and b7Spectra have stated above, most of their work is either done over cellphone, or amateur radio. WØEQU, 443.775, is the ham callsign for the Red Cross in Omaha, Nebraska.
 

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Also in New Jersey, Red Cross has a talk group on the State Department of Transportation Trunked Motorola System (north jersey primarily). Organizationally, their Disaster Services work closely with with State Police Office of Emergency Management and many operate from county level emergency operating centers. In this area of Central New Jersey, I have heard no action on 47.42 in many years. I usually speak with them directly at the EOC.
 

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We had a meeting at the Red Cross chapter house last week and every one of the full time staff had a cellphone on their belt. They commented that while assisting at some grassfires west of san antonio they got out of cellphone range.
 

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n4voxgill said:
We had a meeting at the Red Cross chapter house last week and every one of the full time staff had a cellphone on their belt. They commented that while assisting at some grassfires west of san antonio they got out of cellphone range.
HaHa. Serves them right. Years ago the local hams were very active with the ARC chapter. A new chapter director came in, told the hams that they were not neded and cut ties with the local clubs. The hams move on to supporting other agencies and doing other things.
A couple of years go by, a new director comes in and wants to rebuild bridges. The local hams decide to give them a chance. They became active with ARC again, held meetings and training at the chapter HQ and took ARC classes in shelter ops and damage acessment. The ARC director is gungho too. He gets his Tech level ham ticket and assigns a surplus ERV to be configured as a Comm van. The hams install Ham radios, scanner, and even CB radio in the ERV. They work on a first rate ham station at the chapter HQ too. Put up a tower with antennas, installed radios, Programmed and tested Motorola 800MHz trunked radios the ARC had talkgroups on the state police TRS with, repaired the chapters own lowband ARC radios and installed mobiles in the other ERVs. Relations between ARC and the hams are good. The ARC brings out the 'comm van ERV' to Field Day and hams plan on staffing shelters during disasters.
A couple of years go by, a new director comes in. This guy sees no reason to work with the hams. There's no reason to have a radio room or radio equipted ERVs. He meets with the main guys representing the hams. Tells them to take the tower down, remove the radios from the ERV and radio room at the chapter and not to let the door hit them on the way out. The director is invited to be a speaker at the meeting of the largest ham club in the state. He tells the audiance that Ham radio was obsolete and the ARC would depend on their Cellphones. Hams get the message. They move on to doing other things for other agencies.
Hurricane Katrina blows in and cell towers and power is out over a large area including regions where the ARC is opening shelters. The ARC puts out a plea for Ham radio operators to volunteer. A small number of hams respond. The ARC puts out another plea. Silence from the hams. Can you blame them? In less than a decade they are told they aren't needed, then welcomed, then dismissed again as relics.
Now, as hurricane season is about to start, the ARC chapter director is trying to recruit hams to work during disaster. The local hams, though, havn't forgotten the speech he gave at their meeting. They understand the ARC is a fair weather friend. There aren't enough hams to cover the agencies who acutally WANT them as back up communicators. The hams don't have the time, patience or willingness to sign on with a service who publicly showed them the door and insisted that cellphones would save the day.
Better hope the cell towers stay up and on the air this year. The ARC will need them.
 

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Maybe thats why their disaster services are being reorganized at the national level. Frankly, I prefer working with Salvation Army's Disaster Services. They are always the first to arrive where you need them; they don't cop an attitude, and they are a great group of people. Their 20 meter health and welfare SATERN net is awesome.
 

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elk2370bruce said:
Frankly, I prefer working with Salvation Army's Disaster Services.
You aren't alone. I have heard several hams with many years of experiance in EMCOMM praise SATERN after working with them during Katrina. I've never worked with them but from what I've heard from these other hams they seem to be a complete opposite to ARC.
 

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I've had the pleasure of working with both organizations. There is no doubt about the Salvation Army's commitment to working with amateur radio. The ARC, on the other hand, is very much a matter of the local director's opinion. Interestingly enough, we did a tabletop disaster drill last year, which was run by the regional level people. Our chapter director had previously attended a drill at another chapter earlier in the year. After the initial "disaster" occurred, everybody whipped out their cellphones to start their activation and information gathering. At that point the test leader handed out the next card which said that all landline and cellular service was destroyed. That chapter had no backup comm plan, and ultimately failed the test.

The local chapter head contacted the chapter disaster chair, who also happens to be the ARES EC, and asked "What do we do to get hams involved?". By the time of the drill, we had about 18 hams lined up, including myself (the ARES AEC and RC Asst. DC). I attended the drill as the appointed Govt. Liaison for the RC. When the test leader pulled the plug on phone comms, we started calling our hams and assigning them to various locations. I also reached into a bag and pulled out FRS radios for in-shelter use, freeing the hams for point-to-point and mobile use. The local chapter received extra points for their/our use of amateur radio communications. That led to a tidy grant from regional that enabled the chapter to buy a van and equip it with a amateur radio rig and scanner. The director and asst. director are now licensed hams.

So sometimes they do see the light!

Mark S.
 

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Red Cross likes amateur radio operators when they donate political power, equipment and money. Disaster Services should be SERVICES oriented and not grounded in the corporate make ye earn mentality that is rife within the organization. There are some chapters that subscribe to the above values and others that don't. I love some of them that I've worked with around the country and others that I'd rather not see again.
 

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Hi Cell(phone)blocked and readers,

What you didn't say was the few hams who responded to the Katrina disaster sat around bored out of thier minds and in a few hours left never to be seen again. Meanwhile the various agencies were using FRS radios, the ARC wasn't alone in this. I was monitoring the usual ham HF net frequencies and heard NOTHING this time around, they were hopping when Florida got hit. I don't recall the FCC declaring a communications emergency either. I'm surprised you guys were so slow on the uptake with all the angry hornets buzzing around the ham web sites but then again this IS primarily a scanner site.

No wonder Joseph is wondering about ARC radio comms, there haven't been any in NJ in twice as many years than he's been around. I got a clue when I lived in Union County 30 years ago, the lo band antenna on the chapter building looked like Fred Flintstone was the last to use it and the coax was dangling with a frayed end a food below the roof.
 

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Well, I'm not sure about HF traffic but my YL and I were using VHF. Well, technically I was on UHF since I was crossbanding through my car to the VHF repeater. She manned the RACES station at the Ascension Parish EOC and I was at the Lamar Dixion Expo Center shelter handeling RACES comms there. We were using the Ascension Club VHF repeater and we weren't bored at all. There was plenty to do. Her log at the EOC was over 9 pages long after only one shift.
Yes, FRS was used but only for comms inside the shelters. FRS has become a common tool we use regularly for shelter operations. It has little or no effect on the need for trained operators to pass radio traffic to EOCs or chapter HQs. So we had plenty of traffic to pass.
I'm not sure why you think we were "slow on the uptake". We were up and rolling before the winds died down.
There's another reason you may not have heard much HF traffic. Many repeaters stayed up during and after the storm. State EOC RACES ops used a UHF repeater owned and operated by a local REACT team, which was linked to a UHF machine in New Orleans, to pass traffic between NO and Baton Rouge. They also used a repeater owned and operated by the DOW chemical company ham club, which was linked to a repeater in Hammond, to talk to Parishes to the east of Baton Rouge. The RACES ops at State EOC primarily used a wide coverage privately owned VHF repeater to cover Baton Rouge and surrounding Parishes. Meanwhile, Red Cross was using another privately owned wide coverage machine for it's Baton Rouge operations. I'm not sure how much they may have used thier 47MHz radios if at all.
Ascension Parish RACES ceased operations the Thursday after the storm hit. I was recently told that some club members set up a HF station at Lamar Dixion later the following weekend so some of the 2,000 shelter residents could send Health and Welfare messages to friends and relatives. Other than that I heard little first hand information about use of HF by anyone in Southeast Louisiana after Katrinia.
Hams working for SATERN told me that they used 146.55 simplex and some other VHF freqs here. They also used HF for some comms.
 
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