Anne Arundel County Fire Department Closer to Digital?

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pasadenamd

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Radio techs are currently switching over to all the talkgroups that I have collected as Anne Arundel County Fire Department talkgroups that are digital. They keep switching too each one and are saying "Check."

Coming closer to digital?

Talkgroups:
16496
16784
16816
16848
16880
17264
18992
19056
19120
19088
65504 (haven't heard voice on this one yet)
 
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I spoke to a Captain in Fire Alarm a few months ago. He said that the FD likes the analog system and that as long as he has anything to do with it. They will stay analog for at least two more years as its a issue with unsafe firefighting operations. Can anybody shed some light on this?
 

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There is a lot of problems with digital radio's on the fireground. I have posted in previous forum the problems that fire departments across the country have been having with digital trasmissions. We were not happy with the results of the testing we conducted here in Anne Arundel County with the digital talk groups in our radios. The IAFC (International Association of Fire Chiefs) has all but come out against digital radio in their research/testing; in a document of best practices. Some major fire departments around the country that have gone digital have not been satisfied with the change.
 

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There is a lot of problems with digital radio's on the fireground. I have posted in previous forum the problems that fire departments across the country have been having with digital trasmissions. We were not happy with the results of the testing we conducted here in Anne Arundel County with the digital talk groups in our radios. The IAFC (International Association of Fire Chiefs) has all but come out against digital radio in their research/testing; in a document of best practices. Some major fire departments around the country that have gone digital have not been satisfied with the change.

NOT true on the IAFC statement. I authored the Best Practices document and it makes no statement about being "against digital radio", implied or otherwise; it is against poor radio use practices regardless of the modulation being used.

Both digital and analog modulation have pros and cons. Many departments operate with radios using digital modulation and are quite happy with the performance of the radios. Some departments have even thought that they would prefer analog modulation and then switched to digital modulation with more satisfactory results.

There is no perfect solution. The issue is complex with many different factors affecting radio performance, with some of the most important being directly within the users' control regardless of the modulation in use; thus the Best Practices document.

Blanked statements about 'good' and 'bad' rarely reflect the reality of complex issues such as this.
 

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NOT true on the IAFC statement. I authored the Best Practices document and it makes no statement about being "against digital radio", implied or otherwise; it is against poor radio use practices regardless of the modulation being used.

Both digital and analog modulation have pros and cons. Many departments operate with radios using digital modulation and are quite happy with the performance of the radios. Some departments have even thought that they would prefer analog modulation and then switched to digital modulation with more satisfactory results.

There is no perfect solution. The issue is complex with many different factors affecting radio performance, with some of the most important being directly within the users' control regardless of the modulation in use; thus the Best Practices document.

Blanked statements about 'good' and 'bad' rarely reflect the reality of complex issues such as this.

I had a conversation a few weeks ago with a Motorola engineer that works the DC metro area. He basically concurs, saying that much of the problem is with the users. Seems to me that more formal and recurrent training is needed to successfully deploy digital radios.
 

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I had a conversation a few weeks ago with a Motorola engineer that works the DC metro area. He basically concurs, saying that much of the problem is with the users. Seems to me that more formal and recurrent training is needed to successfully deploy digital radios.

You speak the truth. And believe me, Dallas knows what he is talking about. Plenty of large jurisdictions have gone digital without the problems some rave about. However, if AAFD is not satisfied with the performance- they have every right to keep status quo as long as they feel it is the best interest of their members. If only all jurisdictions stood fast until they got what they deserve, maybe we would be discussing it right now?
 

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While we are talking about AACoFD. Does anybody know anything about them changing their 154.010 MAIN VHF Dispatch to a split frequency?
 

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A split frequency? If anything they will be changing it from 25kHz to 12.5kHz on the same frequency.
 

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I had a conversation a few weeks ago with a Motorola engineer that works the DC metro area. He basically concurs, saying that much of the problem is with the users. Seems to me that more formal and recurrent training is needed to successfully deploy digital radios.


You shouldn't have to be trained how to use a radio -- if training is needed, it isn't good enough. Emergency services personnel have more things to worry about than thinking "am I using the radio correctly?"

Do you have to be trained on how to use a telephone?
 

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You shouldn't have to be trained how to use a radio -- if training is needed, it isn't good enough. Emergency services personnel have more things to worry about than thinking "am I using the radio correctly?"

Do you have to be trained on how to use a telephone?

They absolutely DO need training on how to use radios. Just like they absolutely need training with firearms and fire hoses AND telephones.

When cellphones came out there was no dial tone. You need a dial tone on a landline phone before the tones or pulses will register to dial out.
Without a signal on a cellphone there will be no call made PERIOD. Do you think people just automatically know these simple take-if-for-granted instructions on how to use a telephone?

If emergency services personnel have more important things to do than learn how to use their equipment, they probably should be in another line of work, cause I and most others don't want them trying to save me in an emergency. :roll:
 
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