Any LEO's wana offer up some advice?

flyingwolf · May 9, 2005

First off this doesnt pertain to omuch to scanning. Though I do scan while watching my camera.

I have a problem here. I live one door down and across the hal from a drug dealer. How do I know he is a dealer. Well simple really. He used to deal in the hallway. I told him to stop or I would put up a camera.
He didnt stop. I got permission from the local Sheriff to put up a camera along with the permission of the apartment property managment.

Well I have litterly 3 gigbytes of still images per day of people comming and going from thier apartment. My camera only takes snapshots on movement so you can imagine how much movement they must have in and out in a 24 hour period for a simple snapshot to make up 3 gigabytes a day.

I have given these images to the narcotics unit of the local sheriff. It took quite a few CD's but I got em all to them. Now I dod the same for the apartment managment.

Mind you all of this has been at my expense. One camera has been stolen (So this one I put in a security box, Still need to make a better one.) ad this current one is well protected (I hope).

My main question here is.
What more can I do. After nearly a year of this they are stil dealing drugs. I have text files full of descriptions and plate numbers from the people buying from them along with the photo evidence. And yet nothing has been done. They continue to sell drugs with impunity and it is really startingto get to me. I have to struggle daily to make a living and they dont even work (are on welfare) and make easily 10 times more than me selling these drugs.

What more can I do to get these people taken outta of my building?

I guess this turned into more of a rant. But as always any and all help is apreciated here.

Oh and if anyone has any extra security cameras lying around I would be happy to take em off your hands. A nice vandel proor camera would be nice.

dustin486 · May 9, 2005

I'm not an officer, but I asked my friend that is one.

He said to leave it to the narcotics agents from here. You are dealing with a highly dangerous situation and your life is in danger from now on until you move. Messing with drug dealers and/or someone on drugs is a whole different story. Say the narcotics team arrests him, he isn't going to stay in jail forever. When he gets out, what is to stop him from coming after you? Afterall, you did make it obvious that you were the one that turned him in.

That's the end of what he said. My personal opinion is that I would report them, but never, ever confront them or let them see you watching them.

Either way, your intentions are good for wanting to get drugs off of the street. You may have just made a wrong move by confronting them.

Also, the camera getting stolen is completely how my luck goes.

xusmarine1979 · May 9, 2005

I agree with Dustin on that, every agency is going to run their operations differently, so gettin advice from a LEO from somewhere else may not help out much. If you turned it in to your local PD NARC's Unit, they may be planning something as we speak (just make sure you're listening to your scanner and enjoy). But as Dustin's friend said, I really wouldn't want to have any conflict with these individuals, you never know what they are capable of, or how they happen to get any extra money.
Has it been a while since you've reported it? One thing I (could) suggest, that if some of your neighbors are having the same problems, have them all start reporting. If there are multiple of the same reports, they may act quicker on them. Because I'll tell you one thing, there is NO way in heck I would let my kids grow up in that type of environment (not saying you live in a bad neighborhood, please don't take that wrong), but all it takes is one youngster to get curious and who knows what that may lead to. And all it takes is one of those idiots and look at what kinds of people are coming to your area plus the things they may do to get the cash to purchase that crap.
But anyway, just give the Police a little longer because they may be doing their own homework (if ya know what I mean).

Semper Fi

n4voxgill · May 9, 2005

if you notified your apartment manager and the police, including giving them photographs and other info, a year ago, it is obvious that neither one of the really care. Your only solution is to move. It is a sad commentary on how lousy your police department is, and I sure wouldn't trust anything from a property manager that permits illegal activity.

Get out while the getting is good. Then after you have moved, try contacting a tv news department and giving them the info.

I spent 30+ years in law enforcement and this type of inaction makes me sick. While moving, it would be to another state.

RocketMan1 · May 10, 2005

If it has been over a year (boy you have more patience than I) And nothing has been done. It might be time to contact the local media and politicians, give them the photo's along with the story, I bet something gets done REALLY fast now.

I wonder if these jerkoffs have the local PD in their pocket? Lets check the math:
Proof-photos
+
complaint
+
1 year later(nothing done)
+
still dealing (out in the open)
=
something fishy!

Again, watch your back. If they know it's you, and apparently they do, revenge will be close at hand

flyingwolf · May 10, 2005

As for revenge no worries there. As with most criminals they arent exactly masterminds and they are wimps. They will not try anything. They are way to scared of running afoul of me. They already tried once and got the wrong enbd of thier body bouncing ofthe pavement (in other words they ate the asphault)

I am not too worried about retaliation. This is a small time deal. They are selling prescription pills and whatnot.

The situation have been going on for a year now. I tried to handle it through the apartment first and have only brought the police in over the last 6 months when the apartments refused to do anything.

It may sound or seem foolish but I am not in fear for my life or my family. I know they would not be so stupid as to do anything of that nature.

I am thinking of contacting the Narcotics unit (I have a contact inside who ha ssat here with me watching the camera so they are open with me) and see if there has been any progress or whats going on.

If there has been no progress and nothing is going to be done then I might just have to let a reporter friend of mine know about the situation of a "friend" one night while we are out. :twisted:

But either way keep the ideas comming. And I will of course keep everyone appraised.

Thanks for the input.

and n4voxgill I fully agree with you.

And beleive me as soon as I can its off to North Carolina we go. We are very tired of this area.

xusmarine1979 · May 10, 2005

You couldn't pay me to live in N.C., at least near "you know where".

jwood · May 11, 2005

If the Narcodics Unit has the information, they are working on it...Some of the folks on your pictures might just be Undercover making buys to obtain evidence....

This type of situation takes time to get a case for the courts....

flyingwolf · May 11, 2005

Well I have been told it is actively being investigated so thats a plus.

But I have to tell you this.

One of thier buyers was up here tonight. Now mind you we havent seen a drop of rain for nearly a week here. And in walks this person with a bright red umbrella covering half the persons body and face. I guess they didnt want me to see them.

I tell ya though it had to be the funniest thing I have seen for a while. They just waltzed in with the umbrella, got it stuck in the door on the way in, and on the way out stuck thier head out the door first (perfect mug shot) and then put the umbrella back out before leaving. :roll:

It had to be the funniest thing I have seen in ages. My wife and I were laughing so hard at seing this, the person actully heard us laughing at them. So we got the finger lol.

AndrewGeil · May 11, 2005

Sad as it sounds, there's always the local news media.

"Apartment dweller has hours of video tape showing drug deals occuring at all times of the day and night, police refuse to act."

Of course, I'd high tail it out of town after that hit the stands regardless.

FPO703 · May 11, 2005

Or, drop it in the mail box on your way out of town

Dubbin · May 11, 2005

flyingwolf said:
As for revenge no worries there. As with most criminals they arent exactly masterminds and they are wimps. They will not try anything. They are way to scared of running afoul of me. They already tried once and got the wrong enbd of thier body bouncing ofthe pavement (in other words they ate the asphault)

Even "wimps" can carry a gun and use it when they have had enough. You should be worried.

flyingwolf · May 12, 2005

This is true. And you are wise to caution me on this.

And while I am not worried or scared I guess I should be. But I guess knowing the people involved you get a feeling for what they are capable of.

Thanks for all the help folks.

wefr15 · May 12, 2005

Flying Wolf,

Being in Property Management for over 10 years and Managing a large property in Batavia for over 7 years, I am quite familiar with what you are going thru. As Jwood stated these things do take time. I remember wishing that CCSO would bust one of my problem children right away to take of one problem, but by waiting that problem was taken care of and many others.

If you really feel that CCSO is not taking you seriously call Sheriff Rodenberg personally and talk to the "Top Dog" himself and I know he will light a fire.

PJH · May 26, 2005

A couple of points to ponder...

So you gave them 1000's of pictures of people going in/out. Are there transactions? Can one see clearly what it is? Can you ID the item from X amount distance away? Entering/leaving a building is not illegal. There is quite a bit that needs to take place before things can happen.

Narcotic investagations take time. Yours is most likely not the only one ongoing, and may not be the most important one going on. You have to pick and choose your battles.

For those with their .02 cents in blaming the police on inaction, go and crawl back under your rock. Its one sided thinking that hurts, not helps.

Sheesh.

John_M · May 26, 2005

Flyingwolf:

This would tick me off too. People coming in all hours of the night and day making all kinds of noise. You can either ignore it or try to do something about it. Why should you have to leave your home because of some drug dealers across the hall? You have done just about all you can do about the matter. Now, let the police handle it. I live in an ampartment also, my third apartment in the last 12 years. You get evicted for dealing drugs around here. It is probably same policy where you live. Without any hard evidence your landlord may not act. He likes your money just as much as he likes the drug dealer's money. Although, the landlord does not have to have a reason to evict someone. If the drug dealer is bothering everybody around them the landlord might act. You can also try to get others to talk to the landlord. I would be cautious about the gun issue.

When you move get yourself a german shepard
like the one in EXUSMARINE's avatar. He is better then any security camera. :lol:

Dubbin · May 26, 2005

JMedley_1 said:
.
When you move get yourself a german shepard
like the one in EXUSMARINE's avatar. He is better then any security camera. :lol:

Yup thats what I have. Nobody and I mean nobody will come into my yard or home without being greeted by a mouth full of teeth :lol:

flyingwolf · May 30, 2005

Unfortunatly since the camera went up they have gone to dealing inside the apartment.

Unfortunately no dogs allowed here in the apartment. Well not unless you have a medical reason.

As for the police doing nothing. Well I wouldnt say they arent doing anything. Of course I am not privvy to the investigation so I cant say they arent doing anything.

But I can tell you that I have seen the sheriffs here more often then usual. And as such the amount of traffic has decreased.

However what they dont know is that I have a neighboor (downstairs) with a peephole camera. and they have gone to a new system.
Thier buyer comes up and knocks on thier door. Then they talk through the door. Then the buyer goes down the hall. The dealers leave and go to the apartment across from my friend (the one with the camera) get the drugs needed and then bring them back up. Now this whole time the person has been waiting just out of veiw of my camera (I have stuck my head out) and when they come back up the buyer walks by them and makes the deal.

Now It took me a while to figure out why they would do this. Wel first thing was if they are busted they only have a large amount of cash. No drugs in thier house.
But then this doesnt make sense as now they are back to dealing on camera.

But as it was pointed out it is only a CMOS camera and therefore doesnt pick up to great. You can ID the person but not what they are exchanging. And with thier backs turned you cant see anything.

I am positive the police are working on this so I will keep you all updated here.

Though I have heard they are moving. It will be funny when they move and thier friends tell them the camera is gone.

Ok well I will keep yall updated. Though on the upside the guy that stole the first camera now has a warrent out for him. Funny enough I see him up here daily so I have been instructed to tip off the ol' sheriff when I see him.

So that should be taken care of now.

And with the new camera up in its housing it should withstand anything short of a direct hit from a 9mm.

Well tha and spraypaint. But I just cover the lens with a little piece of saran wrap and its all good.

flyingwolf · Aug 7, 2006

Wanted to update everyone on this one, I know it has been some time but here goes.

http://clermontclerk.org/pa/munipa.urd/pamw2000.o_case_sum?71373861

This is the guy that stole my camera, got the money back from him.

And here are the Drug dealers.

http://clermontclerk.org/pa/munipa.urd/pamw2000.o_case_sum?78642729
Case was dismissed against him.

No case was brought against his wife, but if you do a search there for "Johnna Wilson" you will see an very nice history, while you at it do a search for "Rodney Flora" and John W McClellan"

Rodney and Johnna were the drug dealers, Ol' Johny was the buyer of their drugs that stole my camera.

Sorry it took so long, I just felt I could not leave the story unfinished.

flyingwolf · Aug 7, 2006

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