Any other Frequencies for Burliegh/Morton

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RadioGuy3007

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Hello All,
Do any of you have any other frequencies that are not listed on this website? I am looking for Bismarck Airport Fire Rescue
 

ASTRO2001

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Motorola Trunking

They are on a trunk system.

A trunked radio system is a complex type of computer-controlled two-way radio system that allows sharing of relatively few radio frequency channels among a large group of users. Instead of assigning, for example, a radio channel to one particular organization at a time, users are instead assigned to a logical grouping, a "talkgroup". When any user in that group wishes to converse with another user in the talkgroup, a vacant radio channel is found automatically by the system and the conversation takes place on that channel. Many unrelated conversations can occur on a channel, making use of the otherwise idle time between conversations. Each radio transceiver contains a microcomputer to control it. A control channel coordinates all the activity of the radios in the system. The control channel computer sends packets of data to enable one talkgroup to talk together, regardless of frequency.


Differences from conventional two-way radio
Trunked radio systems differ from "conventional" radio systems in that a conventional radio system uses a dedicated channel (frequency) for each individual group of users, while "trunking" radio systems use a pool of channels which are available for a great many different groups of users. For example, if police communications are configured in such a way that twelve conventional channels are required to permit citywide dispatch based upon geographical patrol areas, during periods of slow dispatch activity much of that channel capacity is idle. In a trunked system, the police units in a given geographical area are not assigned a dedicated channel, but instead are members of a talk-group entitled to draw upon the common resources of a smaller pool of channels.

Trunked radio takes advantage of the probability that with any given number of user units, not everyone will need channel access at the same time, therefore fewer discrete radio channels are required. From another perspective, with a given number of radio channels, a much greater number of user groups can be accommodated. In the example of the police department, this additional capacity could then be used to assign individual talk groups to specialized investigative, traffic control, or special-events groups which might otherwise not have the benefit of individual private communications. To the user, a trunking radio looks just like an "ordinary" radio: there is a "channel switch" for the user to select the "channel" that they want to use. In reality though, the "Channel switch" is NOT switching frequencies as in a conventional radio but when changed, it refers to an internal software program which causes a talkgroup affiliation to be transmitted on the control channel. This identifies the specific radio to the system controller as a member of a specific talkgroup, and that radio will then be included in any conversations involving that talkgroup. This also allows great flexibility in radio usage - the same radio model can be used for many different types of system users (i.e. Police, Public Works, Animal Control, etc.) simply by changing the software programming in the radio itself.



Example below

Freq:858.01250
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1000 PD 1
2992 PD 2
47823 FD 1
43546 FD 2
25625 FD 3
25754 EMS 1

Now if all these talk groups talk at the same time they just use this frequency and wont Interfere with one another
 
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N0TKG

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I do not know what the present situation is however when I worked for Bismarck Airport Police 30 years ago the Airport Fire used the city FD frequencies and Airport Police used the city PD frequencies, and both used the airport ground control freq as a common channel. There was also a Bismarck Airport channel used by police, fire, maintenance, etc. The Airport Police no longer exists as a separate police department within the city of Bismarck.

In those days it was policy that in the event of a fire or other emergency the Airport Fire and city FD would both respond, the city FD sending crash trucks from the south fire station. If the Airport Fire still exists as a separate entity it is very possible they they would still be working on the city FD channels in emergency situations and using the airport maintenance frequencies for routine traffic. Any airport crash truck would still also be able to communicate with the tower via ground control.

Perhaps we have someone here familiar with the present fire department organization.
 

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The airport has airport security (not TSA) and they are on that 800 trunking system thats listed in the database. Every morning around 7am you can hear bismarck central send out alert tones on talkgroup 17488. I was at the airport last week and they were carrying motorola xts radios. Antenna was longer and thick so I assume it must be used on VHF. Recently also started hearing stuff on 155.6700 the old burleigh sheriff channel and it sounded like some airport traffic, talking about flights etc. It was in digital P25. I'll unlock that channel again and do some more listening to see if they have switched. I do know though that airport fire is using city fire channels as they did before they went encrypted. Airport maintenance can be heard on a conventional 800 Mhz channel(854.01250) as well as Bismarck Ground Air Traffic Control is repeated on that too.

TSA used to be heard on 172.15 P25 digital but I havent heard that frequency in use in a long time. Last time I flew out I didnt see any radios at the TSA screening lines.
 

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854.01250 is conventional not trunked and is analog and in the clear.

The Dakota Communications Trunked system is also analog and in the clear. But with that system youll hear alot of other users on it too but on different talkgroups
 
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