Thanks to Voyager and VK3RX for their suggestions. I used the 4 GB SD card came with the receiver and I tried reformatting it with the SD formatter (not Windows). I reloaded the firmware from the same SD card without any problem, and I can record and play back WAV audio from the card.
AOR AR-DV1
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slicerwizard
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So I guess we'll never see EDACS, Moto3600 trunking, LTR, yadda yadda in scanners either.
If you read my original comment with the quoted text, it specified TDMA. AFAIK, none of those system types are using TDMA, so my reply does not address them. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I will admit that "yadda yadda" might employ TDMA, as I know little about that format.
I may have lost this in the volume of posts in the thread, but can anyone comment on the analog performance of this receiver at VHF-HI and above. How does it do with the decoding of CTCSS and DCS tones...or does it?
As it stands now, I'd have a very difficult time dropping $1200 when I can get such good performance from DSD+ either for free or with a small donation to get on the fast track.
However, as a former owner of a few AR5000's, I am a fan of "certain" AOR releases and would not completely discount ownership of this new one, but it's definitely going to be a "wait quite a while and see" type of thing in my case.
Thanks.
As it stands now, I'd have a very difficult time dropping $1200 when I can get such good performance from DSD+ either for free or with a small donation to get on the fast track.
However, as a former owner of a few AR5000's, I am a fan of "certain" AOR releases and would not completely discount ownership of this new one, but it's definitely going to be a "wait quite a while and see" type of thing in my case.
Thanks.
Andy3
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I think a waiting game is in order, scancapecod. Since the 5000 (an excellent receiver from the start), AOR seem to be rushing out half-baked items that have basic or unfinished software. Modes missing, incorrect filter widths, annoying glitchy behaviour and so on. I've been a big fan of AOR since the late 90's, but they really need to sort things out.
As for updating the software/firmware, when everyone else provides downloads that can be easily installed via USB, AOR are still mucking about with 'return to dealer' solutions. My AR5001d needed new firmware (to sort out some strange mode/filter switching) and I had to parcel it up and send it back to Waters & Stanton. Took a month.
My ARD300 will no doubt be updated sometime to include other modes or improved performance, but once again there is only one option - 'send it back'. Sheesh!
As for updating the software/firmware, when everyone else provides downloads that can be easily installed via USB, AOR are still mucking about with 'return to dealer' solutions. My AR5001d needed new firmware (to sort out some strange mode/filter switching) and I had to parcel it up and send it back to Waters & Stanton. Took a month.
My ARD300 will no doubt be updated sometime to include other modes or improved performance, but once again there is only one option - 'send it back'. Sheesh!
VE2XWA
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+1 for Andy3
I'll have to agree with Andy on the waiting game... nice first attempt, but not stellar...
They are supporting USB downloads for this unit:
Firmware Updates | Download Area | Support | AOR U.S.A., INC. Authority On Radio Communications
However, how often and how much support is given will be anyone's guess - we'll have to wait and see...
slicerwizard
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What does TDMA have to do with legalities? So far, you're not making any sense that I can see.If you read my original comment with the quoted text, it specified TDMA. AFAIK, none of those system types are using TDMA, so my reply does not address them. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I will admit that "yadda yadda" might employ TDMA, as I know little about that format.
OK. Here is a 'roadmap':
Someone commented about the lack of TDMA trunking.
I replied that most trunking in the USA is MotoTRBO which cannot legally be included, as it's proprietary and would need a license. I also said that the DMR trunking format (different from MotoTRBO) is used few and far between in the USA.
Then he replied that it was not DMR TDMA trunking he cared about - it was P25 Phase II trunking. Hence, the issue was dead (or so I thought).
Then you commented in reply to my post: "So I guess we'll never see EDACS, Moto3600 trunking, LTR, yadda yadda in scanners either."
I clarified that I was talking about TDMA that AFAIK I know is not used on EDACS, LTR, Motorola 3600, and perhaps not on the Yadda Yadda system type.
So, what is the connection from TDMA to legalities? The only connection that was mentioned is that MotoTRBO is proprietary and cannot be added to a scanner without a license from Motorola. Doing otherwise would be illegal.
Did you follow that time?
Someone commented about the lack of TDMA trunking.
I replied that most trunking in the USA is MotoTRBO which cannot legally be included, as it's proprietary and would need a license. I also said that the DMR trunking format (different from MotoTRBO) is used few and far between in the USA.
Then he replied that it was not DMR TDMA trunking he cared about - it was P25 Phase II trunking. Hence, the issue was dead (or so I thought).
Then you commented in reply to my post: "So I guess we'll never see EDACS, Moto3600 trunking, LTR, yadda yadda in scanners either."
I clarified that I was talking about TDMA that AFAIK I know is not used on EDACS, LTR, Motorola 3600, and perhaps not on the Yadda Yadda system type.
So, what is the connection from TDMA to legalities? The only connection that was mentioned is that MotoTRBO is proprietary and cannot be added to a scanner without a license from Motorola. Doing otherwise would be illegal.
Did you follow that time?
Gommert, I am glad you posted. I hope this means Butel will consider some software for this radio at some point. I just go off phone again with Taka at AOR. He is aware of all our requests for firmware updates and the issues we have discussed on this thread. The first person I spoke with there had trouble understanding English. So I spoke Japanese with her.
As a second career after retired from active medical practice, I translate Japanese biomedical patents from Japanese to English for the United States and European Union. I am fluent (speak, read, and write Japanese-certified by Japanese govt. at highest level for a non-native Japanese). Jeff at Ham Station knows this. He actually asked me to try to convey some of these issues to AOR, and if there was any problem in understanding, discuss these with AOR in Japanese.
I decided to move up in line. Said last week I would wait on buying the AOR AR-DV1. But I figure what the heck. Mind as well buy one and try to work together with AOR on some of these issues and be able to test certain things. I only live 10 miles from AOR USA headquarters (15 minutes down the 91 freeway).
So I just purchased the radio through Ham Station, but will be picking up the unit at AOR this afternoon. This will give me a chance to put this receiver through a few paces here in the Los Angeles area. Will start using the radio later this evening and let you all know what I think. Taka told me just now that he has received feedback through Jeff at Ham Station, is aware of the issues that have been posted, and the engineers in Japan will be looking into some of the posted issues in near future.
As a second career after retired from active medical practice, I translate Japanese biomedical patents from Japanese to English for the United States and European Union. I am fluent (speak, read, and write Japanese-certified by Japanese govt. at highest level for a non-native Japanese). Jeff at Ham Station knows this. He actually asked me to try to convey some of these issues to AOR, and if there was any problem in understanding, discuss these with AOR in Japanese.
I decided to move up in line. Said last week I would wait on buying the AOR AR-DV1. But I figure what the heck. Mind as well buy one and try to work together with AOR on some of these issues and be able to test certain things. I only live 10 miles from AOR USA headquarters (15 minutes down the 91 freeway).
So I just purchased the radio through Ham Station, but will be picking up the unit at AOR this afternoon. This will give me a chance to put this receiver through a few paces here in the Los Angeles area. Will start using the radio later this evening and let you all know what I think. Taka told me just now that he has received feedback through Jeff at Ham Station, is aware of the issues that have been posted, and the engineers in Japan will be looking into some of the posted issues in near future.
AOR USA has informed me today AOR JAPAN is working on new firmware for their new dv1 receiver.We hope to have firmware out shortly.Keep an eye on AOR USA website for it.
Thanks Taka for this great news.
Keep an eye on AOR USA website for the new firmware out soon.
Jeff
Thanks Taka for this great news.
Keep an eye on AOR USA website for the new firmware out soon.
Jeff
Did he say what issues this is supposed to address?
I am waiting for AOR to release the protocol and finish the USB support. Current firmware does not support PC control/programming. I was with Taka at the Scannermaster booth last week in Dayton and he got very good feedback so I believe AOR 'got the message' ;-)
Gommert
Butel Software
DV1 updates are loaded from the sd card. Also the AR5001 is user upgradable and no need to ship to aor. At bottom of the 5001 receiver there are 'hidden' switches next to reset button to load new firmware to the differents PCB's.
Gommert
Butel Software
Andy3
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Thanks Gommert - I knew that, but the procedure I read was confusing and not very friendly and I thought it likely I would brick my receiver if I made one wrong move. USB would have been much better.
Went over to AOR in Torrance today and picked up the AR-DV1. Will try it out over the next couple of days. Spoke with Taka in person for about 20 minutes about common interests, then about the radio. He said the radio is primarily designed for the US market, and not intended for the Japanese market. Much of the digital decoding was designed using a synthesized signal generator. There has been very little actual use of the radio by folks like us on this list, and he welcomes feedback. He says a firmware update will be available within about a week. What that covers, I did not specifically ask. He also mentioned speaking with Gommert at Dayton, and as Gommert mentions above, plans are being made for eventual software.
Taka's comments to me suggested that this is a "work in progress, it is early, and he needs feedback. I asked him if trunking was a possibility, and he said perhaps with some firmware update.
So I would encourage any of you who actually own the radio to e-mail your comments and wish list to Taka at AOR. I will be interested in my own experience with this radio in the next few days. Will keep you all updated.
Taka's comments to me suggested that this is a "work in progress, it is early, and he needs feedback. I asked him if trunking was a possibility, and he said perhaps with some firmware update.
So I would encourage any of you who actually own the radio to e-mail your comments and wish list to Taka at AOR. I will be interested in my own experience with this radio in the next few days. Will keep you all updated.
Two Words - Beta Testing
You pay $1200 to be a beta tester - we take your money and you get an untested product. Sounds like a great deal to me... NOT!!!!!
I'm sure the WiFi dongle and Siren app works too.....
KA2ZEY
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Is trunking something that could be done with a software update or would that be hardware only?
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