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new fees to start 4/19/22 !
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I am wondering how many hams will drop their license because they just aren't that active; and don't want to pay for a license for something they don't use often?

I wonder how much the total number of licensed hams will drop, and how this will affect the relative percentages of Techs vs Generals vs Extras.

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I am wondering how many hams will drop their license because they just aren't that active; and don't want to pay for a license for something they don't use often?

I wonder how much the total number of licensed hams will drop, and how this will affect the relative percentages of Techs vs Generals vs Extras.

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Shouldn't affect renewing very much. Many will renew, just for something to complain about. For less than 1 penny a day, they can continue whining on the air about the fee for 10 whole years. It's a real bargain.
 

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In my area there is an operator that would keep changing his callsign. I believe he was at 7-10 five years ago. I don’t know how many he is at now. I am unsure if the fee will stop his asshat shenanigans.
 

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I know a guy who went through 10 callsigns in two years. He has held one callsign from everyone of the 10 callsign districts. Why? Because he could and because it was free. However, with the new fee in place, I doubt he will change again.
 
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Oh, this is getting entertaining ! I love a good joust - bar fight--with the windmills.

$35 to re-new a ham license- It isn't that much ? Maybe it isn't in the sphere's some people revolve in, but it is a meaningful amount to many Americans who are struggling economically right now. $35 here, $35 there--- starts to add up.

And what is this tax going for ?... how will paying it improve your life one iota ? This is a tax imposed for arbitrary reasons by face-less bureaucrats-- its a tax that is going into general revenue; not because the FCC Amateur Division needs it, not because it will improve any aspect of your amateur radio------
And the idea of this tax suppressing those weird hams that like to multiply change their callsigns on whims-- that's a red herring. Address those issues it with a Part 97 rule change- but don't penalize the thousands of others that don't abuse the vanity system - as if this is any valid reason for a tax. *

I remember well my stay in Maryland when 'they' raised the sales tax 1%.

"Why, little plebs--it will only raise your costs one penny on the dollar !!"

Or so it was toted out.
(And in approval all the seals all clapped their flippers)

Yes, only one cent on the dollar,--- quite meaningless until the plebs went to buy that new $30,000 car !
$35 or $3500- if not the amount, then look at the principle.

What is coming next ? :giggle:


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*btw- I never changed my original call issued to me back before there were 'vanity's' --- I happen to like their choice ---

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Maybe it isn't in the sphere's some people revolve in, but it is a meaningful amount to many Americans who are struggling economically right now. $35 here, $35 there--- starts to add up.
No doubt, some folks struggle for a roof, food, etc. But, how many of the people complaining about $35 also buy cigarettes, booze, lottery tickets, or Starbucks coffee? Yeah, I know, how people live their lives isn't my concern.
This is a tax imposed for arbitrary reasons by face-less bureaucrats...
While the actual value was determined by the FCC, after the ARRL lobbied to have it reduced from the originally-proposed $50, the FCC got their direction from Congress to collect more fees. I don't blame the FCC for this. I blame Congress.
And the idea of this tax suppressing those weird hams that like to multiply change their callsigns on whims-- that's a red herring. Address those issues it with a Part 97 rule change...
Absolutely. That should have been done long ago, but petitions to the FCC to impose rules along those lines have been ignored.
 

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Oh, this is getting entertaining ! I love a good joust - bar fight--with the windmills.

$35 to re-new a ham license- It isn't that much ? Maybe it isn't in the sphere's some people revolve in, but it is a meaningful amount to many Americans who are struggling economically right now. $35 here, $35 there--- starts to add up.

And what is this tax going for ?... how will paying it improve your life one iota ? This is a tax imposed for arbitrary reasons by face-less bureaucrats-- its a tax that is going into general revenue; not because the FCC Amateur Division needs it, not because it will improve any aspect of your amateur radio------
And the idea of this tax suppressing those weird hams that like to multiply change their callsigns on whims-- that's a red herring. Address those issues it with a Part 97 rule change- but don't penalize the thousands of others that don't abuse the vanity system - as if this is any valid reason for a tax. *

I remember well my stay in Maryland when 'they' raised the sales tax 1%.

"Why, little plebs--it will only raise your costs one penny on the dollar !!"

Or so it was toted out.
(And in approval all the seals all clapped their flippers)

Yes, only one cent on the dollar,--- quite meaningless until the plebs went to buy that new $30,000 car !
$35 or $3500- if not the amount, then look at the principle.

What is coming next ? :giggle:


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*btw- I never changed my original call issued to me back before there were 'vanity's' --- I happen to like their choice ---

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First off, if somebody has an amateur license they should know (a) it's good for ten years and (b) when it is time to renew it again. If a person cannot come up with $35 dollars over the span of 10 years in order to renew their license, they simply don't deserve a license. It has nothing to do with economy. And, for those people griping about the $35 fee, how many of them stopped at McDs for breakfast this morning, or went and bought a carton of smokes today, or went and scored some doobage? How much money did they spend every day on things, for the past 9+ years? They seem to have money for everything but an amateur radio license renewal.
 

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Oh, this is getting entertaining ! I love a good joust - bar fight--with the windmills.

$35 to re-new a ham license- It isn't that much ? Maybe it isn't in the sphere's some people revolve in, but it is a meaningful amount to many Americans who are struggling economically right now. $35 here, $35 there--- starts to add up.

And what is this tax going for ?... how will paying it improve your life one iota ? This is a tax imposed for arbitrary reasons by face-less bureaucrats-- its a tax that is going into general revenue; not because the FCC Amateur Division needs it, not because it will improve any aspect of your amateur radio------
And the idea of this tax suppressing those weird hams that like to multiply change their callsigns on whims-- that's a red herring. Address those issues it with a Part 97 rule change- but don't penalize the thousands of others that don't abuse the vanity system - as if this is any valid reason for a tax. *

I remember well my stay in Maryland when 'they' raised the sales tax 1%.

"Why, little plebs--it will only raise your costs one penny on the dollar !!"

Or so it was toted out.
(And in approval all the seals all clapped their flippers)

Yes, only one cent on the dollar,--- quite meaningless until the plebs went to buy that new $30,000 car !
$35 or $3500- if not the amount, then look at the principle.

What is coming next ? :giggle:


Lauri

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*btw- I never changed my original call issued to me back before there were 'vanity's' --- I happen to like their choice ---

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You seem to be missing the fact that there is absolutely nothing the FCC could do about the imposition of this fee. It was mandated by congressional legislation that was passed and signed into law. In the beginning, the FCC wanted a fee of $50, but reduced it to $35 in the face of opposition by the ARRL and hams in general.

It's a done deal and no amount of whining is going to get it removed. It's time to close this thread and move on.
 
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You're missing the point---
---- its not the amount, its the fact this is a tax imposed by the Federal Government. Right now you have a choice -- you can choose to spend your money on your booze, your tobacco or your "doobage" (whatever that is) - But tax's you don't.

Or in this case--- "So, yoo'z want'a to stay a ham ?... cough it up!"

I am assuming you own your home -- do you kick every year when your property tax's go up ?... or maybe you groan at the prospect of paying a little extra in gasoline taxes ? Look at the 'fee's imposed by government on your internet bill..... etc. etc.... Cough it up !
Can't pay those property taxes ?..... there's a tent on a street corner in San Fran waiting for yoo'z.

If this is the case, I have made my point. If you actually like paying taxes (and don't give me the "its the price we pay for society"-- we pay way too much now as it is) --- then we are at loggerheads.

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I have a bet going that the roll-out was not without clitches and confusion.
Well, Ms. Windmill Fighter, it seems you were right.

From the ARRL Bulletin issued today:

ARLB012 FCC Not Processing License Applications and Exam Session Files

The ARRL Volunteer Examiner Coordinator (VEC) reports that the FCC Universal Licensing System (ULS) electronic batch filing (EBF) system has been down since midday Tuesday, April 19, 2022, which is the day the FCC application fees became effective for amateur radio.

On Wednesday, in a notice to all VECs, the FCC asked them to refrain from submitting any session or application files while they work to resolve the issue.

ARRL VEC Manager Maria Somma, AB1FM, said the FCC did not estimate how long the system would be down. Some applications were processed through the system before the FCC notice was released to the VECs.

Applicants should expect delays with license and application processing.

ARRL VEC will provide an update when the FCC communicates that the filing system is back online.
 
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Sighs ............

It may come as a surprise to some but I am not happy to hear this.

As I said somewhere in these previous forums, I spent two years with the pervious administration as a "PA" (political appointee) in a position where I came into contact with all facets of the "system" for my boss. To call it a swamp was putting it very mildly- but there will be no politics here from me--- except, maybe, to sadly say

"I saw this coming" from the first blush.

I feel honestly sorry for all those eager, prospective hams thinking they they would be joining the hobby soon.....
I hope no one is holding their collective breath............... :(


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$35 for 10 years - do I have that right? We pay around $53 renewal per year ......

Most of that our equivalent of your FCC call an "annual license tax", which by their definition is really their running-the-business administrative in nature, not something imposed on them by government.

They've proposed moving us to a license free class license, which hasn't got much support unless many protective provisions are in place.

More here:

Australia to consider fee-free amateur licensing
 

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Never fear. It was reported late last night that the FCC is accepting applications from the VECs again.
 

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You're missing the point---
---- its not the amount, its the fact this is a tax imposed by the Federal Government. Right now you have a choice -- you can choose to spend your money on your booze, your tobacco or your "doobage" (whatever that is) - But tax's you don't.

Or in this case--- "So, yoo'z want'a to stay a ham ?... cough it up!"

I am assuming you own your home -- do you kick every year when your property tax's go up ?... or maybe you groan at the prospect of paying a little extra in gasoline taxes ? Look at the 'fee's imposed by government on your internet bill..... etc. etc.... Cough it up !
Can't pay those property taxes ?..... there's a tent on a street corner in San Fran waiting for yoo'z.

If this is the case, I have made my point. If you actually like paying taxes (and don't give me the "its the price we pay for society"-- we pay way too much now as it is) --- then we are at loggerheads.

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I think Lauri has joined the retired and fiscal reality is sinking in...

"doobage"? Gotta get me some. -- The Dude.
 
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( ooooops-- did I just get tapped on the shoulder------?? )

Me - "Yes ?"

Them -- "State Security... come with us"



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Lauri

did someone mention s t a s i ?? Speaking of merry bands....

 
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Ah !-- the Stasi !

I did something at the US Embassy in the GDR (Berlin) shortly before the "Fall."
East Germany was one creepy place !

Anyone curious about what East Germany was all about I recommend two movies--- you can find them on line--

The Lives of Others
Ballon (Balloon
-english)

both excellent movies about the GDR and the Security State: both in german (but you can find them with english subtitles)

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Does anyone recall their amateur radio experiences when the "Wall" came down ? I do.... suddenly 10 metre's-- (height of the sunspots)-- came alive with tonnes of Y22's and DM's, all eager to talk - at last- to the world.

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Glad I got my renewal done back in March. I had no idea about the new fees in April. Maybe I should pay attention, oh well. It's been years since I even picked up a mic to talk. Just not interested anymore but my renewal was free so what the heck, maybe in the next 10 years might get back in it. Had there been a fee, I would not have renewed. When 2032 rolls around and the world is still here, may pay to renew..
 
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