APX7000 - 2X P25 systems. 1X SYS ID & WACN

[c_lewien]

Hi Cam,

Just a reply to your above comment.

Nothing strange about them using the same WACN and SYS ID. It's that way because of 'the grand plan' of things to come and which is already occurring in part.

The last change to the CID matter changed a few months ago. It's undergone several changes since the RMR Network was first commenced. Handy asset Pro96com.


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Thanks Chris,

I must say I'm rather impressed with Pro96Com.

 

[hitechRadio]

Well there we have it. It's a single CID plan for both systems.

Glad you got it figured out.
Like I said , check Channel Id's. Typically this is where thing get messed up.
Eventually I would guess you will start seeing Adjacent VHF site info also, all controlled from the admin side as they connect things together.

I had read an article that some agencies will have or do have duelband 800/V radio's. Will be a fantastic system.

 

[CanesFan95]

So am I reading this right, there's a way to program an APX7000 to listen and scan talk groups without affiliating?

 

[c_lewien]

So am I reading this right, there's a way to program an APX7000 to listen and scan talk groups without affiliating?

Correct- XTS method works with APX series.

Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_isy3fH2v8

 

[clbsquared]

APX radios with firmware versions of v15.00 and higher WILL affiliate with the system. There doesn't appear to be any way around that. If you're buying an APX to do NAF, you need to make sure the firmware is lower than v15.00. Or at least have the ability to roll it back to a previous version.

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[c_lewien]

APX radios with firmware versions of v15.00 and higher WILL affiliate with the system. There doesn't appear to be any way around that. If you're buying an APX to do NAF, you need to make sure the firmware is lower than v15.00. Or at least have the ability to roll it back to a previous version.

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Both my APX's are sitting on 15.12.00 with no issues. They don't attempt to affiliate.
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd7eKETWk0w

 

[Project25_MASTR]

Both my APX's are sitting on 15.12.00 with no issues. They don't attempt to affiliate.
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd7eKETWk0w

Unless you've put it on a Wattmeter to see whether or not the radio key's when scan is enabled, the video really doesn't mean anything.

 

[mikewazowski]

APX radios with firmware versions of v15.00 and higher WILL affiliate with the system. There doesn't appear to be any way around that.

That was fixed in R15.12.00 according to the release notes.

 

[clbsquared]

That was fixed in R15.12.00 according to the release notes.

That is correct, to an extent. The radio only affiliates one time after it sees activity on any talk group. At that point the radio is seen as logging into the system. Which allows a system admin to flag the radio for inhibit. The fact is, Motorola is aware of the NAF method and they are taking steps to shut it down completely. I wouldn't be surprised if they started adding something similar to RAS in the near future. I wouldn't trust any APX radio with v15.00 and higher to do NAF.

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[hitechRadio]

Which update note?

 

[sfd119]

...Motorola is aware of the NAF method and they are taking steps to shut it down completely.

Yet other vendors allow you to do it easily and without some tomfoolery.

 

[c_lewien]

That is correct, to an extent. The radio only affiliates one time after it sees activity on any talk group. At that point the radio is seen as logging into the system. Which allows a system admin to flag the radio for inhibit. The fact is, Motorola is aware of the NAF method and they are taking steps to shut it down completely. I wouldn't be surprised if they started adding something similar to RAS in the near future. I wouldn't trust any APX radio with v15.00 and higher to do NAF.

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Hmm bugger.

Thanks

 

[c_lewien]

Which update note?

This one I believe.

Abstract: APX radios register repeatedly for approximately 6 minutes when Multi-System Talkgroup Scan is enabled.
System Platforms Affected: P25 Trunking Special Configurations: Multi-System Talkgroup Scan with at least one conventional personality.
Description: A radio with Multi-System Talkgroup Scan enabled will register repeatedly (transmit LED flashes) for approximately 6 minutes after the Codeplug is written.

 

[GTR8000]

APX radios with firmware versions of v15.00 and higher WILL affiliate with the system. There doesn't appear to be any way around that. If you're buying an APX to do NAF, you need to make sure the firmware is lower than v15.00. Or at least have the ability to roll it back to a previous version.

That is correct, to an extent. The radio only affiliates one time after it sees activity on any talk group. At that point the radio is seen as logging into the system. Which allows a system admin to flag the radio for inhibit. The fact is, Motorola is aware of the NAF method and they are taking steps to shut it down completely. I wouldn't be surprised if they started adding something similar to RAS in the near future. I wouldn't trust any APX radio with v15.00 and higher to do NAF.

Sorry, but that's nonsense. We've personally verified that the APX subscribers made no attempt to affiliate with our system when programmed correctly for non-affiliate scanning. This is not anecdotal, instead we proved it out with several different APX models all at R15 firmware releases while monitoring ZoneWatch, with further verification provided by reviewing the ATIA logs. It doesn't get much more definitive than that.

At no point in time did any subscriber attempt to affiliate while on a conventional channel with Multi-System Talkgroup scan properly setup for non-affiliate scanning. Period.

 

[hitechRadio]

This one I believe.

That note,,,,,, I know all about.

It has nothing to do with NATS.

 

[CanesFan95]

So if you're shopping on eBay, does this basically mean you want to make sure the radio version number is something lower than 15.00? And exactly what is this version number? Is that the software it was last programmed with, or is that something to do with the hardware?

 

[ME801]

So if you're shopping on eBay, does this basically mean you want to make sure the radio version number is something lower than 15.00? And exactly what is this version number? Is that the software it was last programmed with, or is that something to do with the hardware?

Its the firmware version in the radio. Info, Radio Version, RXX.XX.XX. Any reliable seller will be happy to give you the information. If they don't run don't walk from the radio.

 

[CanesFan95]

So it won't matter what software version you use to program it?

 

[clbsquared]

So it won't matter what software version you use to program it?

You need to program it with whatever version it's currently programmed with, or newer. Be very very careful with APX radios. I'm afraid you will be treading on thin ice should you acquire one and try to program it. It's not like the Legacy radios.

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[CanesFan95]

So the radio firmware version and software versions are 2 different things?