APX8000 FPP Issue

[KN4EHX]

Hey all,

I’m using an APX8000 with FPP enabled. I have mixed analog and P25 conventional in the same zone. Whenever I go to change the mode from analog to digital (or the other way around) on one channel it changes the mode on all channels.

This is very flustering because on my 7000 I never had this problem. Nothing like going onto an analog channel and keying up to get a lot of griping about the noise. To answer one question that might be asked to me: All the channels are individual in programming. I don’t have CPS in front of me so hopefully that makes sense.

Thanks for stopping by,
KN4EHX

 

[KG4INW]

Sounds like you still have each channel associated with the same Personality. Astro 25 portables with FPP (and FW > R9) enforced one personality to each channel so this wouldn't happen. However, they removed that restriction in APX so you can get that behavior. I'm surprised your 7000 isn't acting the same because mine did until I separated personalities.

 

[wgbecks]

I am not sure that this is the right answer, but on my FPP enabled APX8000, I have assigned individual conventional personalities to each of the channels in my FPP zones and have not had any issues when changing between analog or digital whereby doing so caused any of the other channels (modes) in the zone to follow suit.

 

[ME801]

wgbecks, that is the correct answer. I had the same problem as the OP, then I assigned a separate personality to each mode (channel) in the zone I set up for FPP. I have a zone dedicated to FPP and then enabled FPP on all the zones, in case I have to make a change on the fly.

 

[redbeard]

The alternative to having one personality per FPP channel is to have zones with a single personality but common features. Like a digital zone, an analog zone, a wideband zone, a narrowband zone, etc. I do it this way to save from wading though so many personalities when adding new channels. I call them scratch pad zones. I do not enable FPP on the other normal zones as those channels do not need editing usually. I have an MDC zone too so I can light up a frequency with MDC should the need arise.

 

[KN4EHX]

I am not sure that this is the right answer, but on my FPP enabled APX8000, I have assigned individual conventional personalities to each of the channels in my FPP zones and have not had any issues when changing between analog or digital whereby doing so caused any of the other channels (modes) in the zone to follow suit.

I’d have a lot of personality if that was the case. Probably for the first time in my life.

Perhaps I’m just not holding my mouth right because I can’t seem to sort out why I’m having this issue. These channels are indeed using the same personality but I’ve never had this problem before. In the zone channel assignments they are individually unique so to be clear I didn’t set (as an example) everything to FPP1. Initially I did do that and of course even changing the frequency on channel one changed them all to match. So now that I’ve changed it to be individual it is driving me bonkers the mode is changing across the board.

On the pers. it is set to rx mixed and TX non Astro. Perhaps I need to switch it to Astro and FPP in analog on the channels I need. Redbeard mentioned having wide band / narrow band zones but that is a little inconvenient since I need both wide and narrow in the same zone as well as analog and P25 conventional. It is an odd case of emergency management when sometimes the best weather information I can get comes from hams while I also need to be on my public service freqs. that range from V/U/7/800 in both analog narrow and digital.

Very flustering.

Thanks again to everyone for helping.

 

[GTR8000]

Stating the obvious: if a group of channels share the same personality, and the mode is set on a per-personality basis...of course changing one channel will affect all of the other channels within that same personality.

You don't need to create a separate personality for every FPP channel. Create two personalities: one non-ASTRO and one ASTRO (or Mixed Mode, whatever your pleasure). Now create 8 channels in each personality, labeled something like FPP Analog 1 through 8, and FPP Digital 1 through 8. Assign those 16 channels to the FPP zone. Obviously you can create more of each if necessary, but that's the gist of it.

Now you won't have to worry about changing modes, just go to the group of channels that is already set to the correct modulation, and make your edits to them.

 

[SirJ]

Hmm when I bought my apx8000 I was told that I can't have analog and digital channels in the same personalities.....guess I was told the wrong info. This is great news for me because I have a zone that is all analog but one repeater is p25 and I need it in the same zone as the analog channels

 

[GTR8000]

Hmm when I bought my apx8000 I was told that I can't have analog and digital channels in the same personalities.....guess I was told the wrong info. This is great news for me because I have a zone that is all analog but one repeater is p25 and I need it in the same zone as the analog channels

You're confusing personalities with zones. The personality defines the parameters for the channels, the zones contain those channels. You can mix whatever you want in a zone...analog, digital, conventional, trunked. The only restriction is that you can't enable FPP in a zone that contains trunked channels.

As for mixing analog and digital in the same conventional personality, you can if you select Mixed Mode, but that only affects RX. You must choose either Non-ASTRO (analog) or ASTRO (digital) for the TX option in that personality, which affects every channel.

It's easier to just make a personality for the analog stuff, and a separate personality for the digital stuff, then do whatever you want as far as mixing those channels in zone.

 

[KN4EHX]

You're confusing personalities with zones. The personality defines the parameters for the channels, the zones contain those channels. You can mix whatever you want in a zone...analog, digital, conventional, trunked. The only restriction is that you can't enable FPP in a zone that contains trunked channels.

As for mixing analog and digital in the same conventional personality, you can if you select Mixed Mode, but that only affects RX. You must choose either Non-ASTRO (analog) or ASTRO (digital) for the TX option in that personality, which affects every channel.

It's easier to just make a personality for the analog stuff, and a separate personality for the digital stuff, then do whatever you want as far as mixing those channels in zone.

A very solid answer. I think I got my ducks in a row meow. Thanks to everyone for helping. Seems as if I wasn’t the only person who was having this issue.

 

[GTR8000]

Yeah, keep it simple. Create personalities for channels that are going to share major options, such as the RX/TX modulation and a common scan list. Keep in mind that some parameters are personality-wide, while others apply to individual channels. The narrow/wide is an example of a per-channel parameters, so you can safely mix narrow and wide in the same personality you'll use for FPP, just as long as those channels are also good with sharing modulation, scan list, etc.