As posted above, are all of the ARMER talkgroups that you monitor listed in the Radio Reference Database or do you listen to some that don't show up here? If so, do you determine who they are and share the information, do you just keep it to yourself, or do you hear some that you have no idea who they are?
Are All Of The ARMER Talkgroups That You Monitor In The Database?
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With a wildcard or in the open mode you hear everything anyway...there are no secrets....
If i can figure something out I usually will add it to the database. This site doesnt really function if we keep it all to ourselves. Others have been nice enough to share and I have definitely benefited from that so I try to "give back."
mmtstc
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For me, it all depends on how I come across the information. If I come across it completely independent of my employment, then it generally goes up, but if the access that I have leads me to learn of new talkgroups, then they stay in my personal list (generally).
The small handful of people who have access to my personal database can attest to the fact that there is a handful of things that I don't put into the database. My rationale comes from a handful of thought bases.
1. There are certain encrypted tactical talkgroups that I do know the user group, but choose not to submit because the knowledge of the ownership and usage, could cause a potential OpSec issue for LE. Even though it is encrypted, there are a handful of us out there who do trunking data analysis with programs like UniTrunker or Trunk88, and being able to recognize patterns through that really tell you a lot about things, even if you can't hear the voice. If my below average IQ can figure out how to run all of this stuff, then the insidious portion of our population probably can also.
2. I have done a lot of figuring out of things, and I realize that, it is time for others to learn to do the detective work involved in talkgroup identification. Although I am not privy to the list of users who submit talkgroups, I can make some educated guesses that it generally is a core group of about 10 of us. I taught myself about this stuff with the help of RR and my own research, now it is item for others to get used to it (I'm looking at you greater Minnesota). Honestly, the detective work is what I actually enjoy about this hobby, it really isn't the listening.
3. Some of my talkgroup information has been given to me by others who would prefer that it not make it into general consumption. I respect their wishes in the thought that I will continue to be able to stay in the loop.
4. I really don't like any of you all that much. (kidding)
The small handful of people who have access to my personal database can attest to the fact that there is a handful of things that I don't put into the database. My rationale comes from a handful of thought bases.
1. There are certain encrypted tactical talkgroups that I do know the user group, but choose not to submit because the knowledge of the ownership and usage, could cause a potential OpSec issue for LE. Even though it is encrypted, there are a handful of us out there who do trunking data analysis with programs like UniTrunker or Trunk88, and being able to recognize patterns through that really tell you a lot about things, even if you can't hear the voice. If my below average IQ can figure out how to run all of this stuff, then the insidious portion of our population probably can also.
2. I have done a lot of figuring out of things, and I realize that, it is time for others to learn to do the detective work involved in talkgroup identification. Although I am not privy to the list of users who submit talkgroups, I can make some educated guesses that it generally is a core group of about 10 of us. I taught myself about this stuff with the help of RR and my own research, now it is item for others to get used to it (I'm looking at you greater Minnesota). Honestly, the detective work is what I actually enjoy about this hobby, it really isn't the listening.
3. Some of my talkgroup information has been given to me by others who would prefer that it not make it into general consumption. I respect their wishes in the thought that I will continue to be able to stay in the loop.
4. I really don't like any of you all that much. (kidding)
4. I really don't like any of you all that much. (kidding) DITTO ! LOL
LOL Number 4.
LIke NDRADIONUT said, keep on wildcard mode.. Best way to find talkgroups.. What we are doing up north here to find out the talkgroups for counties are going live with different talkgroups.
LIke NDRADIONUT said, keep on wildcard mode.. Best way to find talkgroups.. What we are doing up north here to find out the talkgroups for counties are going live with different talkgroups.
1 - thank you for being responsible. I wish the database admin would feel the same way and take all of the encrypted TGs out of the database. Or that RR management would care enough about officer safety to mandate that change. What good do these entries have in the database anyways? I can't imagine anyone wants to listen to that noise.
Are you serious ? Lets be really responsible and delete the whole database....
Anyone who would be that much of a threat to the cops surely would be able to figure out a few tg s for themselves and then be able to decode the encrypted ones.....
Anyone who would be that much of a threat to the cops surely would be able to figure out a few tg s for themselves and then be able to decode the encrypted ones.....
Well unless someone around here has an encryption decoder Id say we wont be of much help.....
blue5011
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As a member of the tax-paying public, I think we should hear everything, (minus) personal names. I want to know what the LEO's are doing. A couple of weeks ago 12 DNR agents and 3 County LEO's raided two nearby residences. Those agents had seven full-size ($40,000) pickup trucks and a SUV w/ trailer, I watched them drive by my farm.
Seems they confiscated **something**, but made no arrests. The folks who are in law enforcement work for me, I feel I should know why/ how they are doing their job.
It is already against the law to use a scanner/ receiver in the commission of a crime.
I am sure what I have stated here offends some folks... Well nothing has changed (in law enforcement) other than the use of newer technology radio's. It is not my fault that I can tell which officer, vehicle, or agency a particular radio is in.
Getting down from my soapbox...
911scanner
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Don't disagree at all. While not a popular view in our state, those of us that agree that the government works for us & know that everything does not require a top secret clearance must stick together.
That opinion is certainly understandable on a website focused on the scanning hobby. You might even be surprised to know that many at the top share a similar thought process and take substantial efforts to keep mains clear. In the big picture there is not a ton of encrypted traffic on this system. But certainly even scanner users, with some operational knowledge of the job, must realize there are tactical situations where encrypted traffic is necessary. The totality of the circumstance outweighs the idle curiosity of the hobbyist.
I have enough danger in my profession already where I should not have to worry about the armed bad guy listening in on the operation, either by scanner or more likely an online feed (its those feeds that are often convincing agencies to pay the extra money for encryption - which as stated above is rarely used on mains but increasingly used in tactical situations). Also regarding need to know, there is plenty that goes on in this profession that even members within the agency are not aware. Investigation divisions do much that patrol is not clued in on.
I have enough danger in my profession already where I should not have to worry about the armed bad guy listening in on the operation, either by scanner or more likely an online feed (its those feeds that are often convincing agencies to pay the extra money for encryption - which as stated above is rarely used on mains but increasingly used in tactical situations). Also regarding need to know, there is plenty that goes on in this profession that even members within the agency are not aware. Investigation divisions do much that patrol is not clued in on.
mmtstc
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Well put.
The way it sounds with the amount of people ticked off about the switch to broadcastify, many good feeds will be going away...
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