Audio Archives ownership or copyright?

[KMA367]

I've looked in the Live Audio pages, wiki, and forums, as well as in the overall RR Terms of Service, but don't see this addressed. Are the live feeds, and the feed archives, owned or copyright by RadioReference, or the feed provider, or both?

I've had occasion to refer to the archives (including that of my own feed) for an incident I either didn't hear, or that I want to hear again, to see what all was said, dispatch times, etc. I'm pretty sure the information itself contained in the feed isn't subject to copyright, but are the recordings? In other words, if I download an archived segment am I allowed to share that audio (i.e. the mp3 file) with someone else?

My guess is that since the archives are now accessible only to Premium subscribers, that sharing them isn't allowed. It's probably being excessively nit-picky, but would that include my own feed (which I arguably could record separately off my scanner anyway)?

Not meaning to stir anything up, but I don't imagine I'm the first person who's come up against this, and I'd appreciate some official guidance on it. TIA.

 

[SCPD]

I've looked in the Live Audio pages, wiki, and forums, as well as in the overall RR Terms of Service, but don't see this addressed. Are the live feeds, and the feed archives, owned or copyright by RadioReference, or the feed provider, or both?

I've had occasion to refer to the archives (including that of my own feed) for an incident I either didn't hear, or that I want to hear again, to see what all was said, dispatch times, etc. I'm pretty sure the information itself contained in the feed isn't subject to copyright, but are the recordings? In other words, if I download an archived segment am I allowed to share that audio (i.e. the mp3 file) with someone else?

My guess is that since the archives are now accessible only to Premium subscribers, that sharing them isn't allowed. It's probably being excessively nit-picky, but would that include my own feed (which I arguably could record separately off my scanner anyway)?

Not meaning to stir anything up, but I don't imagine I'm the first person who's come up against this, and I'd appreciate some official guidance on it. TIA.

My understanding is that the audio is released under the creative commons license. You can see the link at the live scanner page. Creative Commons — Attribution 3.0 United States
I think the requirement to be a paid subscriber is only to pay for the bandwidth used in download the files to your computer.
Whatever you create you automatically own the copyright to. You can find a copyright FAQ on the Internet via Google that will explain copyright or you can search findlaw.com

 

[KMA367]

My understanding is that the audio is released under the creative commons license. You can see the link at the live scanner page. Creative Commons — Attribution 3.0 United States
I think the requirement to be a paid subscriber is only to pay for the bandwidth used in download the files to your computer.

OK, thanks for pointing out the Creative Commons license. I obviously hadn't read the pages as carefully as I thought.

Assuming the Creative Commons does apply to the feeds, it would appear the that we "must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work)." That would presumably mean a statement that the recording was obtained from http://www.radioreference.com or better yet, perhaps citing the page on which the specific feed is located, such as (my) "http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=194" URL.

Thank you for that.

 

[N_Jay]

I would guess someone would need to consult a media lawyer, but I don't know how you can claim any ownership or copyright to an audio stream that you are simply relaying.

 

[KMA367]

I would guess someone would need to consult a media lawyer, but I don't know how you can claim any ownership or copyright to an audio stream that you are simply relaying.

I'd thought about that too and I tend to agree with you, since we're not allowed by RR to stream any commercial stuff or music anyway. Citing RadioReference.com as the source seems entirely appropriate, though.

I was afraid it might bring up the "divulging" debate for the zillion-teenth time and we really don't need to go there again.

 

[blantonl]

Harry, as indicated above you a free to redistribute the archives in any way you wish, as long as you provide attribution to where the archives came from.

All audio archives are subject to the Creative Commons license outlined below

Creative Commons — Attribution 3.0 United States

 

[KMA367]

Now I know

Thank you, Lindsay. I always try to err on the side of caution, and I guess I've been even more cautious than actually necessary!

 

[blantonl]

This is a very valid question though, I appreciate you bringing it up.