Aurora/Naperville OpenSky System

[ltginrage]

So is the a slight chance they may be coming to a point to make a new system or go to starcomm? I they do I believe there will be full encryption if they do.

 

[officerdave]

So is the a slight chance they may be coming to a point to make a new system or go to starcomm? I they do I believe there will be full encryption if they do.

Not really sure. I have not been told anything cast in stone. My best guess, a new Harris P25 Phase II simulcast with Aurora . My assumption encryption would be in the cards.

 

[ltginrage]

If Harris dont like their OpenSky System why do they continue to support it?

 

[JD21960]

After recent riots and mass shootings at a business there's NO WAY Aurora IL will be going to any other system where people might hear even a stray tactical transmission. As usual, TWITTER is more dangerous to the Police and citizens as thugs, looters and rioters use THAT as a tool against our Police neighbors and friends. OpenSky is not going anywhere

 

[ltginrage]

OpenSky will cripple itself in a few years. During the riots most APD was using ITTF Region 3 Talkgroups which are not encrypted. The tactical channels should be encrypted so stuff like that don't happen again. But there is no reason they were using the dispatch channels for the riots.

 

[Awesomeman92]

OpenSky will cripple itself in a few years. During the riots most APD was using ITTF Region 3 Talkgroups which are not encrypted. The tactical channels should be encrypted so stuff like that don't happen again. But there is no reason they were using the dispatch channels for the riots.

APD units were mostly using their own system on an operations channel (I heard them mention a number, but I don't remember if it was 1 or 2) which was being patched to SC21. There are 2 zones of secure tactical talkgroups in the IIFOG but my guess would be a lot of radios in the field don't have them programmed in: the secure zones are optional and still pretty new while the ITTF region TGs are in virtually every SC21 radio statewide. Throwing another wrench in the plan is the fact only 3 of the secure talkgroups are allowed in dispatch consoles, so if you want to have a dispatch center on with you too bad, you'll have to go through IC. I'm sure IEMA has their reasons for this but it handcuffs departments. I would expect in the future more of these types of events moving from the ITTF Region groups to the secure ones.

 

[officerdave]

APD units were mostly using their own system on an operations channel (I heard them mention a number, but I don't remember if it was 1 or 2) which was being patched to SC21. There are 2 zones of secure tactical talkgroups in the IIFOG but my guess would be a lot of radios in the field don't have them programmed in: the secure zones are optional and still pretty new while the ITTF region TGs are in virtually every SC21 radio statewide. Throwing another wrench in the plan is the fact only 3 of the secure talkgroups are allowed in dispatch consoles, so if you want to have a dispatch center on with you too bad, you'll have to go through IC. I'm sure IEMA has their reasons for this but it handcuffs departments. I would expect in the future more of these types of events moving from the ITTF Region groups to the secure ones.

APD uses OPS1 . Always have
DuComm towns on the County system, use their encrypted tactical talk-groups for protests etc. They come up on my radio, but of course I can not monitor them. OPEN SKY is NOT encrypted , just not monitorable due to the why it operates. Trust me OPEN SKY for Public Safety is going away. Agencies have contractual arrangements, with L3Harris , which Harris will honor, is the reason it still is supported.

We do not have the new Tactical Zones in our SC21 radios. Too new and our radios do not have the correct encryption protocol.

 

[FFPM571]

Open sky is 10 years old now in Naperland.. I was given the original Powerpoint presentation and training materials when it went live from NFD to help train Mutual aid users. There is Encryption available and is an option on the radios

 

[officerdave]

Open sky is 10 years old now in Naperland.. I was given the original Powerpoint presentation and training materials when it went live from NFD to help train Mutual aid users. There is Encryption available and is an option on the radios

Should have been more clear. Some other departments' radios may have their AES enabled to work with outside agencies. MY radios do not have AES enabled. It is there, in our newer Harris portables , we just do not use it. No need on a system that can not be monitored.

 

[ltginrage]

All we can do is hope that they switch and decide no encryption on the FD side at least

 

[RoninJoliet]

So what is the Naperville FD talk group patch to Wescom

 

[officerdave]

So what is the Naperville FD talk group patch to Wescom

I believe they talk to NFD via NFD's patch with DuCom . ( WESCOM Fire SC21 radio talks to patch with NFD, that is located at DuCom) WESCOM and DuCom both have OPEN SKY radios at their respective dispatch centers.

 

[RoninJoliet]

Thank You

 

[ltginrage]

I believe they talk to NFD via NFD's patch with DuCom . ( WESCOM Fire SC21 radio talks to patch with NFD, that is located at DuCom) WESCOM and DuCom both have OPEN SKY radios at their respective dispatch centers.

So most likely there is a PSAP to PSAP channel on the OpenSky System since WESCOM and DuComm have OpenSky radios.

 

[ltginrage]

They also have patch with WESCOM. I listen to Fire everyday in my squad . They use station alerting via Purvus , that computer voice gets old ..... I have noticed DuCom interops channel come up when Naperville is talking with Lisle/Woodridge or Warrenville. Not being monitorable was part of the reason for Open Sky being selected. Some day ? look for a L3Harris Phase II P25 system for Aurora/Naperville. I know that Harris is tired of supporting the Public Safety Open Sky systems they have deployed.

Does this only run off of the Will/Grundy County Simulcast Sites? I was listening to DuPage and Will/Grundy trying to get TG 2726 the other day when I was over in the area. Had no luck.

 

[officerdave]

My understanding is that WESCOM units have permission to use the DuCom/NFD patch on DEDIRS, to access either NFD or other adjacent DuCom fire departments. Their radios have to be in the footprint of and affiliate to, the DEDIRS sites for the patch to work .

 

[ltginrage]

So basically the Aurora/Naperville patches go through DuPage County's site?

 

[officerdave]

Depends on the patch . Fire has one with DuCom for mutual aid , with LW FPD and Warrenville FPD, that WESCOM can access . No idea what Aurora uses . Do not have Aurora fire in my radios

 

[RBMTS]

The patch is not full time. It is only up on a as-needed basis for units responding mutual aid into Naperville.

 

[ltginrage]

The patch is not full time. It is only up on a as-needed basis for units responding mutual aid into Naperville.

Then I'm assuming thees two is also as needed...